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Also @ScLeCo, I have the original 2.0 rack as a spare right now. I wonder, is it possible to use this for parts instead of buying another rack (74W's route I assume)? @BigMeatsBronco Do you know if this is possible? It seems a waste to have to get a whole rack just for a single part. Do you still have your old rack?
yeah the bar and pinion are the same on 2.0 as 3.0...yeah I saved my 2.0 junk also.
 

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the "fuse" becomes the steering rack itself (the actual steering rack bar specifically).

It bent causing the teeth to rub against the housing. 74 weld did not take any pictures for me.

I gave my old rack to Snacktime. I would think that since the rack is the same in 2.0 and 3.0 that you could buy a used 2.0 rack and just swap it out.
Soooo 25 mph hits rock, rack bar breaks on 74weld. 40 mph, hits massive dirt berm, only the steering bushing breaks on BB's rack... haha sorry I had to.

Anyway, jokes aside, I have my spare steering rack bar, straight as an arrow if you want it.
 
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Soooo 25 mph hits rock, rack bar breaks on 74weld. 40 mph, hits massive dirt berm, only the steering bushing breaks on BB's rack... haha sorry I had to.

Anyway, jokes aside, I have my spare steering rack bar, straight as an arrow if you want it.
I'll take it!
I have a feeling (because I am an idiot) that this is not the only time this is going to happen to me.
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I'll take it!
I have a feeling (because I am an idiot) that this is not the only time this is going to happen to me.
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Ill throw it in the Bronco so we can meet up and exchange, DM me on the socials and we will figure it out.
 

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the "fuse" becomes the steering rack itself (the actual steering rack bar specifically).

It bent causing the teeth to rub against the housing. 74 weld did not take any pictures for me.
The way Quin was talking about the multiple new support points he added inside the housing it would be difficult to bend the internals. Apparently not. Did the housing break? Sorry post Christmas comprehension lacking on my end lol. (yes I blamed Christmas lol)
 

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The way Quin was talking about the multiple new support points he added inside the housing it would be difficult to bend the internals. Apparently not. Did the housing break? Sorry post Christmas comprehension lacking on my end lol. (yes I blamed Christmas lol)
RPG double shear tie rods are stronger than the internals in a 74Weld housing.
 

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The way Quin was talking about the multiple new support points he added inside the housing it would be difficult to bend the internals. Apparently not. Did the housing break? Sorry post Christmas comprehension lacking on my end lol. (yes I blamed Christmas lol)
In my opinion if you added any more support pieces inside internally, the drag coefficient would increase dramatically linearly with increased effort, lack of return to Center, and generally less Road feel transmitted through the steering wheel would happen. I already noticed the difference between a factory OEM 3.0 and the upgraded 74 weld "resistance to steer" any further added resistance would certainly screw with the cruise control Lane keeping
 

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Hit a rock in a ditch at about 25 mph.

Only $3200? Shit I'll take two.
Don't laugh, that's about the price of a Ferrari F-355 propshaft, which breaks about as easily as a stock Bronco tie rod. The only good news was that the F-348 propshaft fits and it was only $300 (I purchased 3 of them) lol.
 

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I don't agree with the "fuse" concept (in general). Oversized tires should have all affected parts strengthened for use. My "fuse" has always been the tires. Meaning the tires will break free, spin before parts start breaking.

Think about this... Dana44 with 33" tires. Nearly impossible to break the axle (without being completely reckless). Dana44 with 40" tires. You better bring spare parts and drive with an egg under your foot. I'd stay with smaller tires until you can afford to properly upgrade everything for larger tires: axles, gearing, steering, suspension...

If you "off road" in OHV parks and have access to trailers / recovery / towing. Then the "fuse" concept might make sense (assuming you don't mind wrenching in the dirt, mud, rocks). It is the cheap option and you can be a "cool guy" on the trail with big tires.

However, if you drive extended distances to off road or overland... Then any "cost" savings will vaporize with one incident. Not to mention ruining a trip/vacation.

We travel SOLO frequently while on difficult trails like Dusy Ershim, Rubicon and Fordyce. These locations are 1,000+ miles from home. No trailer. No support. I'll gladly spend money to "beef" up all known weak areas in my garage at home. And I'm more conservative on tire size (skinny 37s on light wheels).

74weld is expensive and no 100% guarantee. But it is absolutely the strongest available option (at this time). It seems prudent if wanting to push 37"+ tires on difficult trails far from home.
 

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I don't agree with the "fuse" concept (in general). Oversized tires should have all affected parts strengthened for use. My "fuse" has always been the tires. Meaning the tires will break free, spin before parts start breaking.

Think about this... Dana44 with 33" tires. Nearly impossible to break the axle (without being completely reckless). Dana44 with 40" tires. You better bring spare parts and drive with an egg under your foot. I'd stay with smaller tires until you can afford to properly upgrade everything for larger tires: axles, gearing, steering, suspension...

If you "off road" in OHV parks and have access to trailers / recovery / towing. Then the "fuse" concept might make sense (assuming you don't mind wrenching in the dirt, mud, rocks). It is the cheap option and you can be a "cool guy" on the trail with big tires.

However, if you drive extended distances to off road or overland... Then any "cost" savings will vaporize with one incident. Not to mention ruining a trip/vacation.

We travel SOLO frequently while on difficult trails like Dusy Ershim, Rubicon and Fordyce. These locations are 1,000+ miles from home. No trailer. No support. I'll gladly spend money to "beef" up all known weak areas in my garage at home. And I'm more conservative on tire size (skinny 37s on light wheels).

74weld is expensive and no 100% guarantee. But it is absolutely the strongest available option (at this time). It seems prudent if wanting to push 37"+ tires on difficult trails far from home.
Changing a tie rod out on a trail is not difficult changing a steering rack is.
 

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I don't agree with the "fuse" concept (in general). Oversized tires should have all affected parts strengthened for use. My "fuse" has always been the tires. Meaning the tires will break free, spin before parts start breaking.

Think about this... Dana44 with 33" tires. Nearly impossible to break the axle (without being completely reckless). Dana44 with 40" tires. You better bring spare parts and drive with an egg under your foot. I'd stay with smaller tires until you can afford to properly upgrade everything for larger tires: axles, gearing, steering, suspension...

If you "off road" in OHV parks and have access to trailers / recovery / towing. Then the "fuse" concept might make sense (assuming you don't mind wrenching in the dirt, mud, rocks). It is the cheap option and you can be a "cool guy" on the trail with big tires.

However, if you drive extended distances to off road or overland... Then any "cost" savings will vaporize with one incident. Not to mention ruining a trip/vacation.

We travel SOLO frequently while on difficult trails like Dusy Ershim, Rubicon and Fordyce. These locations are 1,000+ miles from home. No trailer. No support. I'll gladly spend money to "beef" up all known weak areas in my garage at home. And I'm more conservative on tire size (skinny 37s on light wheels).

74weld is expensive and no 100% guarantee. But it is absolutely the strongest available option (at this time). It seems prudent if wanting to push 37"+ tires on difficult trails far from home.
I hear what you’re saying. But we are talking out of everything behind the tire, IF anything were to break, it should be the tie rod before anything else.

Everything should be built to withstand whatever tires/forces are in play. But everything has a give point and I want that give point to be my tie rod.

Driving manners come in to play strongly here as well.
 

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I did talk with Quinn about the replacement end caps vs entire rack housing. He said there were no known failures of the Hoss 3.0 with upgraded end caps. He couldn't confirm if the housing was even needed. As in... is the housing breaking due to end bushing deflection? Cause of catastrophic failure is difficult to isolate.

We have the 74weld housing on our Raptor. But debating direction on our 2dr. Both have the same 37x11.5R17 tires.

Anyhow. It seems that possibly the best overall option for cost and strength (for the money) is the Hoss 3.0 with 74weld end caps. At that point it's a simple swap if the housing or rack internals fail.

Upgraded Tie Rods are essential for 37s. Something like Icon or Apex with standard ball joint. 37 or larger are too much for stock tie rods (especially rock crawling).

Would also be interested to hear if anyone has knowledge of a Hoss 3.0 rack failing with 74weld end caps.

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I did talk with Quinn about the replacement end caps vs entire rack housing. He said there were no known failures of the Hoss 3.0 with upgraded end caps. He couldn't confirm if the housing was even needed. As in... is the housing breaking due to end bushing deflection? Cause of catastrophic failure is difficult to isolate.

We have the 74weld housing on our Raptor. But debating direction on our 2dr. Both have the same 37x11.5R17 tires.

Anyhow. It seems that possibly the best overall option for cost and strength (for the money) is the Hoss 3.0 with 74weld end caps. At that point it's a simple swap if the housing or rack internals fail.

Upgraded Tie Rods are essential for 37s. Something like Icon or Apex with standard ball joint. 37 or larger are too much for stock tie rods (especially rock crawling).

Would also be interested to hear if anyone has knowledge of a Hoss 3.0 rack failing with 74weld end caps.

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I agree, the funny thing is that a year ago when talking to Quinn he told me (and I have it in writing). That the end caps and bushing kit is “just” a band aid and they don’t recommend it. They recommend the whole housing and only sell the cap and bushing because of demand.
My band aid has been working just fine so far though so I’m not complaining!

In response to your question. I can’t speak to the 74Weld kit since my buddy running his against my BB hasn’t broken it. (Maybe @Snacktime Has broken his?)

I did break my Hoss 2.0 BB bushing in an accident though I can’t really count that toward normal usage. The rack still worked though. (And my steering bar didn’t break ;)
 
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The irony is that my original plan was a Hoss 3.0 and the end cap/bushing.
I ended up talking myself into "going all out" and "buy once, cry once".
This is one time when going with the cheaper option would have been better.
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