Oh Snap! A Steering Upgrade Options & Considerations Write-Up

[RubyRedGT]

@Snacktime and @popo_patty
In your opinion and experience, do you think the BB drivers side bushing can be removed by reasonable means once installed?

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[Snacktime]

@Snacktime and @popo_patty
In your opinion and experience, do you think the BB drivers side bushing can be removed by reasonable means once installed?

It comes right out! Just not salvageable lol

 

[RubyRedGT]

It comes right out! Just not salvageable lol

Ha ok great! Thanks @Snacktime! I’ll replace with the bushing that came with 74Weld kit that I just installed on passenger side

 

[camojeeper]

Exactly

my own opinion is you should upgrade, or build up your rack and leave your tie rods stock and keep @Tricky Dick spare tie rod kits in your vehicle like I do. If you stiffen up the tie rod and you get in a situation where the the Stock tie rod will normally break it’s just going to cause the damage to the rack.

I’d rather replace damaged tie rods then an expensive rack.

the tie rod is a 20 min fix on the trail and it becomes the fuse able link if you will.
I did the 3”zone on my 22 w/t sas @49 miles
Did the BB kit all 3 at 700 miles. The stock 2.0 had signs of wear on the PS seal here is mine look at the seam in the pot metal then zoom in on the seal to see the deformation this is with 37’s for 651 miles 35’s49 miles imho the stock rack needs the BB or any variation of a new end cap as all of the tie rod force is transmitted upwards into the housing
Looking at the weld74 stg 1 kit for a friend the only thing I don’t like is the snap ring to hold the bushing in. I like the press in bushing of the BB referencing the pass side cap
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[Bronco2door]

What happened to bronco busters?

 

[popo_patty]

What happened to bronco busters?

Someone else reached out to me about this too. Rumor was someone stumbled upon them out broken with a possible knuckle or something. Trouble is, nobody has verified the source of this photo and per Broncbuster IG posts, people have been sharing videos of him driving in town on this very bronco dated 8/7/23…

I also don’t like rumors so I contacted BB directly and asked what was up with this photo. He had no idea where this photo came from and assured me this Bronco was not broken nor had broken. He went as far as to walk out to his driveway, shoot video of the bronco and send it to me. Nothing appeared broken y’all.
So this photo may either be some trickery of a computer or camera angle but I have verified that he did not experience a breakage.

 

[Destination Bigfoot Bronc]

Someone else reached out to me about this too. Rumor was someone stumbled upon them out broken with a possible knuckle or something. Trouble is, nobody has verified the source of this photo and per Broncbuster IG posts, people have been sharing videos of him driving in town on this very bronco dated 8/7/23…

I also don’t like rumors so I contacted BB directly and asked what was up with this photo. He had no idea where this photo came from and assured me this Bronco was not broken nor had broken. He went as far as to walk out to his driveway, shoot video of the bronco and send it to me. Nothing appeared broken y’all.
So this photo may either be some trickery of a computer or camera angle but I have verified that he did not experience a breakage.

I can confirm that nothing is broken.

 

[Valhalla]

( Pantera music plays... ) "I'm broken!!!! ( more Pantera music...)
Sorry guys my brain is a free association engine and I love that song.... couldn't resist.

 

[GreyZ]

What happened to bronco busters?

The photo is from Hidden Falls adventure park from I believe 8/5. No trickery, but possibly just the angle of the photo and showing the ackermann steering. It does show the EXTREMER scrub radius at a minimum though, which is interesting.


In my personal opinion it looks like the wheels are pointed different directions, but I cannot confirm that.

 

[BigMeatsBronco]

Just my observation; when guys here don’t know what they’re talking about, they tend to devolve into troupes such as political nonsense, conspiracies, and other foolishness.

This forum is a place to learn and discuss options. Nothing wrong with being new or not knowing, but when it’s clear that a thread DOES have some members who DO know what they’re talking about, it’s best to read and soak up some knowledge. Ok to ask questions for clarification and whatnot, but beyond that, wish guys would leave the agendas within their own heads.

The OP @popo_patty, @Bmadda, @Snacktime, @mpeugeot, you, and a host of others I’ve failed to mention, either have shops, are hard core wheelers, or hard core DIY wrenchers and share some serious knowledge and experiences on here regularly FOR FREE! It’s great. Hell, even auto journalists and YouTubers hang out here, read the comments from members, then go to publish or make vids. No, everyone isn’t an expert nor needs to be, but when learning, just learn, don’t hijack an informative thread with hot air.

Hope that makes sense?

Agreed.
What I did was avoid BroncBuster stolen bandaid ideas at all costs...

I dove in and bought the FIRST 3.0 rack with HD tie rods so I would never need tie rod braces.

I created a way to program the new racks on 2.0 Broncos, even though Ford could NOT do it themselves. my intention was to provide thos knowledge for FREE to contribute to the Bronco community in some small way.

fast forward a few months and the OPs favorite vendor is now of course selling Ford performance racks with the programming hack I CREATED. This should make people sick inside.
Additionally, the lies and misinformation spread by these fools about the competition is even more retarded. I mean, Tyler actually compared his testing skills to Loren Healy, ROFL...

Read whatever and believe what you want, but remember this, I'm not selling anything. I don't make a profit helping folks understand Broncos, I do it for free.

Hopefully people are smart enough and can read between all the lies and BS.

Click bait videos, horrible driving technique, break more to get clicks attitude, how much profit can I make off someone else's idea??? That's the BB trend.

Thanks POPO for showing your such a savvy BB follower.

 

[Strizzo]

that’s why it surprises me that very few kits offered out there come with a Dif drop, that’s been standard with IFS lifts for years with the trucks lifts, it’s that or Portals to get lift while maintaining proper Angles.

diff drop seems to mostly be a Toyota thing, and There isn’t really anything to suggest that it is needed there either. I always thought diff drop was a bad idea since you open up the possibility that you bottom the cv into the diff

 

[BigMeatsBronco]

diff drop seems to mostly be a Toyota thing, and There isn’t really anything to suggest that it is needed there either. I always thought diff drop was a bad idea since you open up the possibility that you bottom the cv into the diff

HUH? the CV axle slip travel is inside the CV not the diff... maybe you mean bottoming out the bottom of the diff on a rock because it hangs a little bit lower? Even that is ridiculous.

The diff drop of 1.5 in was one of the first things I did after a receiving my Bronco and lifting the same amount because it works so well. Over 50,000 miles and not a single CV problem on my rig even running 37s and now 40s.

 

[Strizzo]

HUH? the CV axle slip travel is inside the CV not the diff... maybe you mean bottoming out the bottom of the diff on a rock because it hangs a little bit lower? Even that is ridiculous.

The diff drop of 1.5 in was one of the first things I did after a receiving my Bronco and lifting the same amount because it works so well. Over 50,000 miles and not a single CV problem on my rig even running 37s and now 40s.

No, you're moving the location of one of the pivot points, which will make the CV telescope as the suspension compresses. if you run out of telescoping travel, it bottoms the cv into the diff and bad things happen.


Imagine what would happen to bump steer if you dropped the steering rack by 1.5 inches, that same effect happens when you drop the diff.

 

[BigMeatsBronco]

No, you're moving the location of one of the pivot points, which will make the CV telescope as the suspension compresses. if you run out of telescoping travel, it bottoms the cv into the diff and bad things happen.


Imagine what would happen to bump steer if you dropped the steering rack by 1.5 inches, that same effect happens when you drop the diff.

Nope, you've got this wrong buddy when you move the Pivot Point you're actually moving it to the new correct Center of ride height. Also considered the same CV angle as OEM. If you don't change the diff height and you do change the ride height now you have created the problem which you are suggesting. The diff drop corrects the problem it doesn't make it worse. And even if the Axle has slightly more plunge than OEM (because of altered geometry), the change is very insignificant in plunge distance. Lastly, the OEM joint only uses about 30% of the total available plunge in stock form, so there is ALOT of room for extra movement before plunge-bind ever becomes an issue. Manufacturers build CVs like this with a wide margin of extra travel available in the CV for the simple reason of doing an alignment. move the camber , castor and toe around and you'll have a far bigger chance of binding than doing a diff drop.

 

[Strizzo]

Nope, you've got this wrong buddy when you move the Pivot Point you're actually moving it to the new correct Center of ride height. Also considered the same CV angle as OEM. If you don't change the diff height and you do change the ride height now you have created the problem which you are suggesting. The diff drop corrects the problem it doesn't make it worse.

You're changing the geometry of the diff side and knuckle side pivot points. the reason for a diff drop is to reduce the cv angle so you can run longer shocks/more lift and not bind the cv at full droop. it corrects the problem at full droop but at some point you run out of room the other way.

I've run over 150k miles on ifs with shorter arms than the bronco has on original oem cvs without any issues people claim diff drop prevents. I'm just saying they may solve one problem but also create potential for another problem.

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