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Nuts are 5/16 and 9/16. Not metric. Posts are 3/16 and 1/4. Box says large terminal accepts 5/16 ring terminal. I bought some copper crimp lugs on Amazon to terminate the cable ends. I used 4 awg wire same as Warn OEM kit.
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Perfect, thank you!

One oddity I noticed, and maybe it’s just a typo, but a standard 9/16 bolt is supposed to marry up with a standard 3/8” bolt.

I saw in your pic you ordered and installed a 4 AWG terminal with 5/16” hole and clearly it fit.

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Smaller posts i used some terminals from an assortment i had with 18 awg wire.
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When you installed your bracket did you find the solenoid slightly rubbed on the AC line? I did a test fit (held bracket in place; didn’t bolt down) and things seemed tight.

When I mounted the solenoid to the bracket I optioned to move to the far right of the slotted holes. Obviously moving left a little will resolve the rub on the AC line, or make it a little better. However, I didn’t have much clearance on the charge pipes either so there doesn’t seem to be much wiggle room. Maybe when I get the bracket tightened securely it will shift a little and resolve those issues.

Also I’m assuming you installed both the solenoid and Stinger relay prior to tightening the bracket down? I didn’t try to tighten with a wrench but access seemed very restricted. Any tips or tricks?

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it was a tight fit. I had to drill new holes lower down on bracket and installed rivnuts in those holes. You can see it hangs over on right. Otherwise solenoid hit hood, i have hood insulation panel. I don’t recall if bracket had elongated mounting hole but it would give a bit more to right if you filed it that way. Zero clearance between cover and intake tube. Since i used rivnuts, i mounted bracket, then mounted solenoid with wire lugs already attached. Cable to controller is tight on ac line. I thought about sanding some clearance on cover for intake.
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I'm looking into adding a disconnect switch for my front winch thanks to everyone's contributions here. The few examples I have seen are isolating the BLACK (-) cable. Anybody with an educated reason for why I should isolate the BLACK (-) cable? Everything in my being wants to isolate the RED (+) side. 🤷‍♂️
 

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I'm looking into adding a disconnect switch for my front winch thanks to everyone's contributions here. The few examples I have seen are isolating the BLACK (-) cable. Anybody with an educated reason for why I should isolate the BLACK (-) cable? Everything in my being wants to isolate the RED (+) side. 🤷‍♂️
Negative side is often used to toggle on/off (ground this contact to turn whatever on). Just a convention thing there, no great reason other than with a chassis ground, you are always (usually) pretty short distance to a grounding point so it gets (somewhat) easier to locate your switch wherever you want.

Protection (fuses/breakers) are often used on the positive side - this limits the amount of unprotected conductor that could inadvertently ground itself and cause a fault
 

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So the fuse is there as a failsafe - if the wiring shorts, if the motor fails, if something bad happens / the fuse goes before your battery or wiring catches on fire.
so you'd think.

It's trickier than it appears...
 

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Negative side is often used to toggle on/off (ground this contact to turn whatever on). Just a convention thing there, no great reason other than with a chassis ground, you are always (usually) pretty short distance to a grounding point so it gets (somewhat) easier to locate your switch wherever you want.

Protection (fuses/breakers) are often used on the positive side - this limits the amount of unprotected conductor that could inadvertently ground itself and cause a fault
I'd ammend this by saying, if I were using a disconnect for isolation as you are planning - I would also put it on (+) side and as close to the battery as I could.
 

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I'd ammend this by saying, if I were using a disconnect for isolation as you are planning - I would also put it on (+) side and as close to the battery as I could.
That's all I needed to hear. LOL
 

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Or anyone else that has a physical Stinger 500 amp relay in hand….what are the two screw sizes on top?

The primary power bolts look larger, M8’s maybe? The switch bolts are smaller, maybe M5 or M6’s?

Alternatively if you know the nut/wrench size then I can work backwards.

Trying to make sure all my ring terminals for various wires are properly sized before I hit the buy button.
I used 5/16 lugs.
 

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Anyone use 1/0 wire when doing the relocate? I’m having a bear of a time with mockup fitment. I got one end with 90 degree lugs and the other with normal flat lugs.

The issue on the red and yellow wires are they sit higher. With the 90 degree lugs the controller cover doesn’t fit. Easy solution is notch the cover so it works.

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If you use the flat lugs you can’t position the terminal on the screws because the heat shrink is too long & stiff (lol, what she said) to bend back out meaning you would need to notch the bottom/base of the controller for fitment. This likely gets complicated because the metal BAMF bracket would likely also interfere and you would be notching by one of the screws that holds the controller base to the BAMF bracket.

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Perhaps a 45 lug would be best but I didn’t see an option for those. Still not 100% you wouldn’t have to notch but if so, it would be a smaller notch.

I’m okay with notching the controller cover (not base/bottom) but even if I do that, the 1/0 wire is going to stick further out the back before it bends down. Meaning there is a higher likelihood of rubbing the hood.

if the hood clears the controller wiring, the next obstacle will be be landing the lug on the Stinger relay. Using the flat end of the cable this forces the install of the relay up using the predrilled holes in the BAMF bracket as the lowest point you could mount. All the pics I’ve seen, the mounting bracket of the relay was moved BELOW the predrilled holes. To shift that down I would need a 90 degree lug on that end.

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Anyone use 1/0 wire when doing the relocate? I’m having a bear of a time with mockup fitment. I got one end with 90 degree lugs and the other with normal flat lugs.

The issue on the red and yellow wires are they sit higher. With the 90 degree lugs the controller cover doesn’t fit. Easy solution is notch the cover so it works.

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If you use the flat lugs you can’t position the terminal on the screws because the heat shrink is too long & stiff (lol, what she said) to bend back out meaning you would need to notch the bottom/base of the controller for fitment. This likely gets complicated because the metal BAMF bracket would likely also interfere and you would be notching by one of the screws that holds the controller base to the BAMF bracket.

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Perhaps a 45 lug would be best but I didn’t see an option for those. Still not 100% you wouldn’t have to notch but if so, it would be a smaller notch.

I’m okay with notching the controller cover (not base/bottom) but even if I do that, the 1/0 wire is going to stick further out the back before it bends down. Meaning there is a higher likelihood of rubbing the hood.

if the hood clears the controller wiring, the next obstacle will be be landing the lug on the Stinger relay. Using the flat end of the cable this forces the install of the relay up using the predrilled holes in the BAMF bracket as the lowest point you could mount. All the pics I’ve seen, the mounting bracket of the relay was moved BELOW the predrilled holes. To shift that down I would need a 90 degree lug on that end.

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Dang man. What a pain. Not sure what I’d do without seeing it in person. Easy to come up with an idea but then it needs to be completely revised once you open the hood. Just did that with ours where some items took up more space than expected.
 

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Dang man. What a pain. Not sure what I’d do without seeing it in person. Easy to come up with an idea but then it needs to be completely revised once you open the hood. Just did that with ours where some items took up more space than expected.
Yeah, it seems like the issues are compounding quickly. I’m sure there is a way but I’m growing tired of it.

FYI, I ordered my 1/0 wires from BatteryCablesUSA and man they have been awesome all around — customer service, same day shipping, quality terminals & high grade all copper wire. I wouldn’t hesitate to buy from them again and NONE of these problems are their fault. I called this AM and explained my situation and asked what their return policy was and that I fully expected a restock fee if I could even return at all. The CSR said, “it’s easy…just box them up and send them back with a note saying they didn’t work out and as soon as we receive we will give a full credit with no hassles or restock fees”. They continue to impress. I was shocked to hear that and had to ask a second time as I had some oddball sizes.

I am going to tinker some more but if I can’t figure out a decent solution I may just return and go with the Warn 10611 extension kit and then hack up my 6’ cable that came with the winch for the shorter jumps between the controller, relay and battery.

https://www.warn.com/control-pack-relocation-kit-for-vr-evo-78-106011

I don’t love the fact it’s only 2 gauge but I’ve spoke to Warn twice and the BatteryCablesUSA owner (pure random luck I got him) once BEFORE buying and keep getting told with these shorter distances and intermittent duty cycles that 2 gauge is solid. At 10’ and over or more severe usage the BCU owner recommended to start upsizing, similar to what you’ve done. I just prefer to have some extra safety built in if possible as the dollars is minimal for these lengths.
 
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Yeah, it seems like the issues are compounding quickly. I’m sure there is a way but I’m growing tired of it.

FYI, I ordered my 1/0 wires from BatteryCablesUSA and man they have been awesome all around — customer service, same day shipping, quality terminals & high grade all copper wire. I wouldn’t hesitate to buy from them again and NONE of these problems are their fault. I called this AM and explained my situation and asked what their return policy was and that I fully expected a restock fee if I could even return at all. The CSR said, “it’s easy…just box them up and send them back with a note saying they didn’t work out and as soon as we receive we will give a full credit with no hassles or restock fees”. They continue to impress. I was shocked to hear that and had to ask a second time as I had some oddball sizes.

I am going to tinker some more but if I can’t figure out a decent solution I may just return and go with the Warn 10611 extension kit and then hack up my 6’ cable that came with the winch for the shorter jumps between the controller, relay and battery.

https://www.warn.com/control-pack-relocation-kit-for-vr-evo-78-106011

I don’t love the fact it’s only 2 gauge but I’ve spoke to Warn twice and the BatteryCablesUSA owner (pure random luck I got him) once BEFORE buying and keep getting told with these shorter distances and intermittent duty cycles that 2 gauge is solid. At 10’ and over or more severe usage the BCU owner recommended to start upsizing, similar to what you’ve done. I just prefer to have some extra safety built in if possible as the dollars is minimal for these lengths.
Honestly the only reason we went bigger up front is we had extra wire. I wasn’t as worried about it as the wire might be four feet long. But the back is a different animal. I’m very close to ordering a FLIR just out of curiosity, but remember that the only time I’m likely to really use use the winch the last thing I’m gonna think about is popping the hood and making a FLIR video.
 

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Honestly the only reason we went bigger up front is we had extra wire. I wasn’t as worried about it as the wire might be four feet long. But the back is a different animal. I’m very close to ordering a FLIR just out of curiosity, but remember that the only time I’m likely to really use use the winch the last thing I’m gonna think about is popping the hood and making a FLIR video.
I got one that connects to the phone and it wasn’t expensive - a lot of options with them. It does great for wire and handy for tracking down HVAC issues too. I use it for work all the time.

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