Less engine wear with premium fuel

[Squirrel13]

Wait...


2.7 stocks can run E 85?

With a tuner. As Ducati mentioned the fuel system can handle it. Stock tune no. It probably can’t compensate that much

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[23OBX2.7]

Can always go to hardware store and buy toluene.....

 

[P52Ranch]

I don't understand the presumed significance of where the ad pack is administered.

Let's get you a straight answer from a guy who has spent 44 years in the refined fuels business. Apologies in advance for the long read.

The only place where additive can be efficiently injected into the fuel is when the fuel is being pumped into the truck at the loading rack.

Other than the aforementioned Amoco Ultimate that was marketed in the 1990's, the base gasoline at fuel terminals is fungible. That means it meets the specifications of the pipeline system which delivered it to the terminal.

The trucks that load fuels at a terminal may be hauling it to an unbranded or a branded retail location. What happens when that truck arrives at the terminal is they input a loading number into the system to get authorization to load. That authorization will tell the terminal loading system what recipe to blend into the truck including which additive pumps to activate.

There is about a half a gallon to a gallon of additive which is sequentially injected into an 8000 gallon load of gasoline. Companies like Shell and Chevron have their own Proprietary additive at these terminals. Many top tier gasoline marketers use the same generic additive package that meets the EPA top tier requirements. All gasoline must have some level of additive. The minimum additive requirements are about 50% of the generic top tier standards.

EPA non-attainment standards as well as state mandated requirements (like California CARB gasoline) drive regional gas specifications but don't impact the additive components.

 

[Oldhippie]

Can always go to hardware store and buy toluene.....

yeah, we added toluene in super modifieds back in the day…

 

[Oldhippie]

Back when I was driving for chevron in the early ‘70s we had a pipeline from the refinery…there was no adding additives that I know of…the other major companies also had there own refineries along with a couple “independents” in the SF bay area…before all the fancy computer stuff…

 

[UncleBrad]

Let's get you a straight answer from a guy who has spent 44 years in the refined fuels business. Apologies in advance for the long read.

The only place where additive can be efficiently injected into the fuel is when the fuel is being pumped into the truck at the loading rack.

Other than the aforementioned Amoco Ultimate that was marketed in the 1990's, the base gasoline at fuel terminals is fungible. That means it meets the specifications of the pipeline system which delivered it to the terminal.

The trucks that load fuels at a terminal may be hauling it to an unbranded or a branded retail location. What happens when that truck arrives at the terminal is they input a loading number into the system to get authorization to load. That authorization will tell the terminal loading system what recipe to blend into the truck including which additive pumps to activate.

There is about a half a gallon to a gallon of additive which is sequentially injected into an 8000 gallon load of gasoline. Companies like Shell and Chevron have their own Proprietary additive at these terminals. Many top tier gasoline marketers use the same generic additive package that meets the EPA top tier requirements. All gasoline must have some level of additive. The minimum additive requirements are about 50% of the generic top tier standards.

EPA non-attainment standards as well as state mandated requirements (like California CARB gasoline) drive regional gas specifications but don't impact the additive components.

Thanks for taking the time to answer the question - much appreciated.

 

[Nibroc99]

No, 2.7's can run full E85 with stock fuel system/turbos and have fuel system left to spare (as long as you have a custom tune)

Once I upgraded turbos, I ran out of fuel so I had to install 3.5L F150 port injectors to run full E85.

Were the f150 injectors a direct fit or did you have to fiddle about with different connectors or anything? Pretty dang cool either way!!

 

[Ducati1098]

Were the f150 injectors a direct fit or did you have to fiddle about with different connectors or anything? Pretty dang cool either way!!

They were a direct fit

 

[EvilJim1971]

Can always go to hardware store and buy toluene.....

When I was racing 2.3 turbos in the early 90s, I was doing my own toluene and xylene blends.
Mildly nasty stuff.

 

[Q1svt]

aren’t gonna say what’s in the additive packs of all the oil on the market. Proprietary secrets.

… His whole premise is Gasoline can help reduce wear….

Not just gasoline but SHELL’s gasoline. During His 15 minute video he sets reasons why something is needed but never discussed what Shell did other than ‘additives’ or what those additives do to the cylinder wall and piston ring are affected.

He has been around a long time, is a good guy but he’s a salesmen, in current terminology he’s an internet influencer…

 

[Q1svt]

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… haven’t seen you, figured you got banned like a couple of your buddies…

@crenca was supposed to keep his peeps inline but he just posts whining about the admins kicking is backside.

 

[timhood]

TOP TIER - High-quality Fuel Performance Standard - TOP TIER™

Cross-reference Top Tier with low price, and there's just one station on my list: Costco.

 

[timhood]

Once again the Oil Guy never actually talks about WHAT that special additives are …. Why?

Can Shell change the Top Tier standards and still be a Top Tier member?

Yes, Top Tier only requires that their standards be met. They can be exceeded. Costco is an example. Their additives exceed the minimum TopTier requirement.

 

[Q1svt]

… not questioning but do you have some better Costco data than AI?

I can’t see any of the other top tier brands letting a competitor say their gasoline is better …

I use Ralph’s/ which is Kroger’s outside of CA… I’ve talk directly to the Driver's/ Delivery guys and here in SoCal 66 Phillips formula sold by Shell to Kroger’s

 

[Desmolicious]

Yes, Top Tier only requires that their standards be met. They can be exceeded. Costco is an example. Their additives exceed the minimum TopTier requirement.

Costco gas is about 50cents cheaper per gallon compared to the next best price in my area just south of LA. Saving $10 per fill up while still getting top tier gas is a big deal.

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