2022 Bronco Clutch and shifting problems

[JT58Bronc]

High rpms partial clutch engagement careless friend.

Looks like this to me too. And driving in too high a gear (numerically) and slipping the clutch a lot.

I have done a fair amount of driving on the beach in sand many years ago at Cape Cod in Massachusetts- when it was allowed in the 70's and 80's. I had two vehicles- a Jeep CJ5 and F 150 truck. Both manuals. I even did some challenging hill climbs. Both I bought brand new. Never once did I have an issue. It's proper driving of a manual transmission, knowing what gear to be in, not lugging the engine and being in too high of a gear and slipping the clutch. So can't blame the sand......

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[Raptor911]

I don’t want to state the obvious but vehicles are NOT indestructible.

And I find it funny that you have not commented on what the driver did on the beach when he was driving your bronco. Were you even there?

he prob beat the shit out of it as most people do when it does not belong to them

I don't see how this should be used against a warranty claim. let's remember that this vehicle was designed for off road use. it's even advertised by Ford being used in soft sand conditions. A Bronco being driven off road and then being defined a warranty claim for driving it off road would be like a motocross bike being ridden off road and denied a claim for using it as designed. If Ford is going to design, market and sell a vehicle for Off Road use, then they should own up to anything that fails during those driving conditions. Make the vehicle stronger and stop pointing the finger at the driver. Design a better vehicle. It's that simple.

 

[rgalvinmi]

I don't see how this should be used against a warranty claim. let's remember that this vehicle was designed for off road use. it's even advertised by Ford being used in soft sand conditions. A Bronco being driven off road and then being defined a warranty claim for driving it off road would be like a motocross bike being ridden off road and denied a claim for using it as designed. If Ford is going to design, market and sell a vehicle for Off Road use, then they should own up to anything that fails during those driving conditions. Make the vehicle stronger and stop pointing the finger at the driver. Design a better vehicle. It's that simple.

This is a ridiculous statement...of course they cannot warranty everything that breaks off roading!

 

[93_SVT_3503]

I don't see how this should be used against a warranty claim. let's remember that this vehicle was designed for off road use. it's even advertised by Ford being used in soft sand conditions. A Bronco being driven off road and then being defined a warranty claim for driving it off road would be like a motocross bike being ridden off road and denied a claim for using it as designed. If Ford is going to design, market and sell a vehicle for Off Road use, then they should own up to anything that fails during those driving conditions. Make the vehicle stronger and stop pointing the finger at the driver. Design a better vehicle. It's that simple.

I agree with Flip, if you have photos of it leaking before the actual failure it should help your case. But if the tow truck driver informed the dealer of the location and condition of the tow, that doesn't help your case either.

I just read this a few moments ago. Lots of variables involved in a warranty.
https://www.yahoo.com/autos/toyota-denied-warranty-repair-gr86-153200767.html

 

[Dads_bronze_bronco]

My take: kind of like @flip said, given the oil photo, now we don’t know which came first the leak or the burnt out clutch.

I guess the moral of the story is, don’t lend your Bronco to your buddy - especially if they are taking it off road.

 

[Silver-Bolt]

I don't see how this should be used against a warranty claim. let's remember that this vehicle was designed for off road use. it's even advertised by Ford being used in soft sand conditions. A Bronco being driven off road and then being defined a warranty claim for driving it off road would be like a motocross bike being ridden off road and denied a claim for using it as designed. If Ford is going to design, market and sell a vehicle for Off Road use, then they should own up to anything that fails during those driving conditions. Make the vehicle stronger and stop pointing the finger at the driver. Design a better vehicle. It's that simple.

In theory you are correct. In reality use verses abuse is a fine line. I have been through this with Ford for many years. The 1999-2004 Lightnings had connecting rod issues. When pushed too hard the rods like to leave the block. The 2010-2014 Raptor trucks had frame issues. When jumped like the showed in their own ads many of the frames bent. Any possible opportunity for a vehicle manufacturer to not pay a warranty claim they will try and take.

In the case of your clutch, your photos do not show 4500 miles of normal use. If the clutch or pressure plate had failed it would not be showing the signs of heat that yours is. To me it looks like it was heated to the point of failure. That is likely how Ford is seeing it. What I see is abuse. That clutch was being slipped hard.

If it were my rig I would thoroughly clean the transmission. Drain the fluid and check the fluid for and signs of excess heat and foreign material. If that checked out refill with with new fluid. I would then surface/replace the flywheel, replace the clutch, pressure plate, throw out bearing and pilot bearing.

 

[Paul Gagnon]

That's sure a weird one. If it was slipping, you'd expect it to be glazed, not chunky like that. I've had a clutch where the friction material shattered and peeled off but it was not rough like that.

 

[zombie]

Automatic transmission for the win, sorry, not sorry . That’s a lot of crud built up in that bellhousing for 4500 miles .

Yeah because there's been no failures there?

 

[0ne]

Yeah because there's been no failures there?

Chill bro but yeah I’ll still take the slush box that satisfied engineering and R&D requirements with the 2.7 and Sasquatch from the get go…and I’m a big fan of shifting my own gears.

 

[zombie]

Chill bro but yeah I’ll still take the slush box that satisfied engineering and R&D requirements with the 2.7 and Sasquatch from the get go…and I’m a big fan of shifting my own gears.

Lol, where did you see me getting excited?
You're the one driving the time bomb

2.7 failures > manual failures, from what I've seen on here.

 

[rgalvinmi]

The GOOD thing is...you can PAY to fix your clutch/tranny, then SELL it on ebay or carvana and STILL come out ahead! Takes care of several issues. The repair....your disdain for Ford for not eating the cost of abuse (which keeps vehicle prices in check)...if they just covered every abuse repair, costs would be even HIGHER for new vehicles. Simple math.

 

[RHeinz]

The instructor at Bronco Off Roadeo implied that they gave up on manual transmission vehicles because the users burned up the clutches rather than allow the vehicle to use a crawl gear.

 

[mcinfantry]

I don't see how this should be used against a warranty claim. let's remember that this vehicle was designed for off road use. it's even advertised by Ford being used in soft sand conditions. A Bronco being driven off road and then being defined a warranty claim for driving it off road would be like a motocross bike being ridden off road and denied a claim for using it as designed. If Ford is going to design, market and sell a vehicle for Off Road use, then they should own up to anything that fails during those driving conditions. Make the vehicle stronger and stop pointing the finger at the driver. Design a better vehicle. It's that simple.

I agree jumping railroad tracks
Power braking (poor man’s trail assist)
Neutral drops

everyone should warranty those

 

[Donkeygyrl]

What could possibly happened when the friend got out of sight
.https://youtu.be/_S7AyiVfNdA

 

[BAUS67]

I had not chimed in here yet because it seems with each post the story gets more and more interesting. Let me start off by saying that I have drag raced stick shifted fox body Mustangs for years. I have burnt more than one clutch and have seen many others as well and most I have ever seen are usually some shade of grey/silver/blue/purple/yellow, in all different places. Kinda like a rainbow. Most times, as others have said, the discs were mostly glazed over, not frayed like the friction material had come apart, very odd to me. It is easy to smoke a clutch, sidestep the pedal at 5000 RPMs and have it in the wrong gear. Try the heal/toe trick to try and do burnouts, too much gas and still resting your foot on the clutch pedal. Then stand on the gas hearing the motor bounce off the revlimiter thinking to yourself this is an awesome burnout, just to realize that you are seeing black smoke instead of white smoke.

Now all of that said, at first, I thought once the "friend used it at the beach" came into the explanation my first conclusion was as would be expected. Friend didn't know how to drive a stick in the sand. But then, low and behold, we have pics of leakage. Now you see why I don't chime in when the whole story is not explained at first. So now it becomes which came first. I believe that with all that has been revealed that it is very possible that the seal failed which in turn took out the disc but the conundrum is that it failed when "off-roading" which in turn means it could go either way. (warranty wise)

In my TJ I could use 4L and first gear, get out and walk beside it. Scared the piss 'outta my wife the first time I did it, she had not been off roading much back then. Crawler gear in the Bronc is the same way. Let the gears do the work not the gas pedal. Had an 88 F-250 with a "crawler" gear 5 speed. Same way, get stuck and try to start out in second gear and all it would do is spin. Put it in crawler gear and let the clutch out and let it eat most times it would drive right out of it with just a "blip" of the throttle. With low gearing like that you want to keep your foot OFF the clutch. Let it stall it will restart. Hell my TJ had a jumper plug to allow it to start in gear. Just blip the throttle and touch the brake all that is needed.

One last thing I will add driving a stick does not mean you know how to drive a stick off road. There are differences between what you do on road vs. off road. Bad things can happen if you are not paying attention and are quick thinking enough.

Just my 2 cents so don't anyone get their panties in bunch.

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