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Yeah, I want something less likely to puncture a sidewall when I'm driving through rocky stuff. I don't get why that might be a bad thing.
E rated tires are generally heavy enough and have stiff enough sidewalls that they become more of a compromise (too much for many) for on road ride and dynamics.

However when looking at charts such as the OP's, you see that there are some quite heavy, relatively, C & D rated tires as well as some lightish E rated choices out these days, so an E rating is perhaps not quite as meaningful (for stiffness & weight) as it used to be 🤷‍♂️
 

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E rated tires are generally heavy enough and have stiff enough sidewalls that they become more of a compromise (too much for many) for on road ride and dynamics.

However when looking at charts such as the OP's, you see that there are some quite heavy, relatively, C & D rated tires as well as some lightish E rated choices out these days, so an E rating is perhaps not quite as meaningful (for stiffness & weight) as it used to be 🤷‍♂️
Might be because the load rating doesn't predict weight the way you might think. In other words, it's complicated and doesn't indicate weight really at all.

 

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made a tire comparison tool for Bronco Sasquatch 315/70R17 and made a selector tool in google colab as sharable link. I only added C and D ply to table, as I have 2 door for overlanding mostly.

Im deaf so dont care about noise. My selected preference was to wait for KO3s in spring or summer. Try it out. Im thick skinned and dont care if you like my ranking system,

https://colab.research.google.com/drive/1NNvvVVl1KUBnwS1kF4aB8dgEF0ZBq2rg?usp=sharing

Hit the play button and follow the text prompts at bottom for scoring. Seems all have few weaknesses.


FactorGoodyear Territory (Current OEM)Toyo Open Country A/T IIIYokohama Geolandar X-ATBFGoodrich KO3 (May Release)Mickey Thompson Legend EXPMickey Thompson Baja Boss A/TFalken Wildpeak A/T4W
StatusAvailableAvailableAvailableWaitlist (Est. May)AvailableAvailableAvailable
Size315/70R1735x11.50R17315/70R17315/70R17315/70R1735x12.50R17315/70R17
Load RatingC (6-ply)C (6-ply)C (6-ply)C (6-ply)D (8-ply)D (8-ply)C (6-ply)
Weight~52 lbs (Lightest)~63 lbs~61 lbs (Ultra Light)~66-68 lbs (Est)~62 lbs~73 lbs~76 lbs (Heaviest)
Sidewall2-Ply2-Ply3-Ply (Geo-Shield)3-Ply (CoreGard)2-Ply (High Tensile)3-Ply (PowerPly XD)3-Ply (DURASPEC)
Balancing8.5 / 109.5 / 10 (Best)8.5 / 108.5 / 107.5 / 108.0 / 107.5 / 10
Wet Traction9.0 / 109.5 / 10 (Best)8.5 / 109.0 / 108.5 / 109.5 / 10 (Best)9.0 / 10
Winter/Snow7.5 / 109.0 / 10 (3PMSF)8.0 / 109.0 / 10 (3PMSF)8.5 / 10 (3PMSF)9.5 / 10 (Best)9.5 / 10 (Best)
Road Noise6.5 / 10 (Loudest)9.0 / 10 (Quietest)7.5 / 108.5 / 107.0 / 108.5 / 108.5 / 10
Ride Comfort9.5 / 1010 / 108.5 / 109.0 / 108.0 / 109.0 / 108.5 / 10
Durability4.0 / 108.0 / 109.0 / 1010 / 108.5 / 109.5 / 1010 / 10
WarrantyNone65,000 Miles45,000 Miles50,000 Miles50,000 Miles50,000 Miles60,000 Miles
OVERALL7.3 / 109.2 / 108.8 / 109.1 / 108.4 / 109.1 / 109.0 / 10
CommentBest: Lightest weight (~52 lbs) and very comfortable.
Worst: Weak durability (thin sidewalls) and no treadwear warranty.
Best: Best daily driver (quietest, best wet traction, 65k warranty).
Worst: Weaker 2-ply sidewalls (less rock protection).
Best: Excellent strength-to-weight ratio (tough 3-ply sidewall but only ~61 lbs).
Worst: Louder and harder to balance than the Toyo.
Best: Combines extreme durability (3-ply) with a soft C-load ride.
Worst: Not available yet (must wait until approx. May).
Best: Stronger D-Load (8-ply) rating while staying lightweight.
Worst: Poor road manners (loudest and hardest to balance).
Best: Incredible snow/wet traction & bombproof 3-ply sidewall.
Worst: Heavier and wider than the 315/70R17 C-load options; tricky to balance.
Best: Indestructible (10/10 durability) and best in snow.
Worst: Extremely heavy (~76 lbs), which kills MPG.
Well done.
The only true Ford SAS-spec tire on the list is the 52-pound Goodyear Territory.
All other tires in this size range are significantly heavier. In terms of wheel-end weight, fuel economy and ride quality, Ford engineers knew what they were doing when they spec'd the 52-pound Goodyear tire. It simply works.....virtual perfection.
For the record, I prefer the appearance of the 2021-2024 Territory MT, over the 2025-on Territory RT.
 

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Well done.
The only true Ford SAS-spec tire on the list is the 52-pound Goodyear Territory.
All other tires in this size range are significantly heavier. In terms of wheel-end weight, fuel economy and ride quality, Ford engineers knew what they were doing when they spec'd the 52-pound Goodyear tire. It simply works.....virtual perfection.
For the record, I prefer the appearance of the 2021-2024 Territory MT, over the 2025-on Territory RT.
Sure, but I do believe the Territory is the outlier for that tire size, its absurdly lightweight, hence why i had 5 punctures in the first year. If I was staying on pavement, I would have kept buying it. You can easily offset the weight of most tires with a nice set of aftermarket wheels. As for "it simply works": up until it doesn't but I agree for most folks it gets the job done.
 
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Well done.
The only true Ford SAS-spec tire on the list is the 52-pound Goodyear Territory.
All other tires in this size range are significantly heavier. In terms of wheel-end weight, fuel economy and ride quality, Ford engineers knew what they were doing when they spec'd the 52-pound Goodyear tire. It simply works.....virtual perfection.
For the record, I prefer the appearance of the 2021-2024 Territory MT, over the 2025-on Territory RT.
You can go to aluminum forged and 60+ pound tire and end up with less unsprung weight and a better tire.

Goodyear will likely have less tread on factory tire versus after market. It is to meet demanding economy spec. It truly needs a spare where as
Sure, but I do believe the Territory is the outlier for that tire size, its absurdly lightweight, hence why i had 5 punctures in the first year. If I was staying on pavement, I would have kept buying it. You can easily offset the weight of most tires with a nice set of aftermarket wheels. As for "it simply works": up until it doesn't but I agree for most folks it gets the job done.
I work in automotive as supplier in different capacities and have far less reverence for standards. It is often more liability than profit dealing with tier 1 and Goodyear on all likelyhood has two version of that tire to seel to Ford and to sell to tire dealers.

Dealer version will have less tread with purpose of being light and lower gas consumption with performance second.

I can get job done with it and want it to last 18 months. But it definitely has a floaty feel. I am fighting them as you accelerate turn and brake separately and gently on these.

There are plenty of options in this size and variety meets different demands. Funny to see people go for looks as priority.

I am in durable then wet traction camp and have two sets.
 

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How much do the 315 K02's weigh and compare to the rest of these choices?
 

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Sure, but I do believe the Territory is the outlier for that tire size, its absurdly lightweight, hence why i had 5 punctures in the first year. If I was staying on pavement, I would have kept buying it. You can easily offset the weight of most tires with a nice set of aftermarket wheels. As for "it simply works": up until it doesn't but I agree for most folks it gets the job done.
I agree the Territory might not suit all. I run beaches primarily, so I'm good.
 

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You can go to aluminum forged and 60+ pound tire and end up with less unsprung weight and a better tire.

Goodyear will likely have less tread on factory tire versus after market. It is to meet demanding economy spec. It truly needs a spare where as

I work in automotive as supplier in different capacities and have far less reverence for standards. It is often more liability than profit dealing with tier 1 and Goodyear on all likelyhood has two version of that tire to seel to Ford and to sell to tire dealers.

Dealer version will have less tread with purpose of being light and lower gas consumption with performance second.

I can get job done with it and want it to last 18 months. But it definitely has a floaty feel. I am fighting them as you accelerate turn and brake separately and gently on these.

There are plenty of options in this size and variety meets different demands. Funny to see people go for looks as priority.

I am in durable then wet traction camp and have two sets.
I work in automotive, bus and commercial truck.........R&D, production, sales marketing and after-sales support.
I have three units with the Territory MT and couldn't be happier. The lightweight construction certainly boosts my mpg.
 

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I work in automotive, bus and commercial truck.........R&D, production, sales marketing and after-sales support.
I have three units with the Territory MT and couldn't be happier. The lightweight construction certainly boosts my mpg.
I likely will not buy again. I campare to a Pirelli EV tire and it is just floaty.
 
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I likely will not buy again. I campare to a Pirelli EV tire and it is just floaty.
When one increases wheel-end weights by 10 to 15 pounds, that's a significant metric change. If I was frequently traversing rock in Arizona, I would have to seek another option. But for general all-around, the engineered-specifically-for-Ford Goodyear Territory MT checks all the boxes for me.
 
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How much do the 315 K02's weigh and compare to the rest of these choices?
They are about same as newer but you are buying something to last 6 years and getting decade old tech by not waiting.


BFG moved to ventless molds and upgraded rubber compounds by waiting a bit while keeping extreme durability.

I want BFG to succeed but they need to serious kick ass of quality and engineers on balance or hire toyo engineers
 
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Anyone know what the OEM-SAS wheel & tire total weight is?
Going from memory the OEM SAS wheels are 34lbs, and the GT's tires are quoted at 52lbs but some folks weigh them closer to 54lbs.

So nominally 86/88lbs.

Throw on most aftermarket tire options on these wheels and your up to 100-110lbs per corner...

After market wheels most folks go for are from about 23 to 28 lbs, so they help but of course that is total unsprung mass but heavier tires, because their weight have an outsized effect on rotational mass...
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