Rival: 2025 4Runner Prices Announced

[AZ_Liberty]

Agree. Fundamental significant differences in body on frame versus a unibody vehicle.

Yeah, the Exploder was a lot more capable before they turned it into a glorified crossover.

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[JediMcMuffin]

Yeah, the Exploder was a lot more capable before they turned it into a glorified crossover.

Sure, but I'm also a member of the "Crossoverlanding" Facebook group full of guys running mostly stock Honda Pilots and Passports, Subarus, Mazda CXs through a lot of the same trails we overbuild our Broncos for. Gives me a really good chuckle.

 

[CarmeloS]

Unless it comes with a stick shift, it's not a competitor.

I'd cross shop a Mustang before a 4Runner.

Again, 5th gen with a diesel swap and manual, https://www.dieseltoys.com/2016-2023-4runner-diesel

 

[Broncofly]

$55K for the gas and $67K (iForceMAX) BEFORE options AND before the $1500 destination charge.......... "Ohhhhh what a feeling"........on my wallet!!!

Unbelievable! The good news is, in 10 years they'll look and feel about the same as they do today but only more expensive.

 

[AP_2004]

I've always considered Toyota's 4Runner to be a pickup-based SUV, alike the superb Ford T6 Ranger-based Everest that I still hope makes it to the states.
But I don't compare Bronco with Jeep either.
Bronco is truly unique.......it has no true competition.

Yes, the Bronco's MIC top alone is in an unfortunate class all by itself.

 

[Boss Broncos]

I wish it had a removable top and 2 doors like the original gen. The rear window is the only similar styling. We have an '85, last year of the solid front axle. Might be cool to get a '25, 40 years apart!

 

[raptorusmaximus]

looking at the specs, I don't see a 4 runner winning baja anytime soon..... toyota gave up on serious off roading when they ditched the fj40

 

[Broncc]

https://www.4runner6g.com/forum/threads/canadian-pricing-released-for-2025-4runner.1956/

Well, we got Canadian pricing and it isn't as out to lunch as I'd expected. However, the TRD Off-Road only being available as a Premium (and therefore with a sunroof that I trust less than the Bronco's removable top), took it out of contention for me, and I didn't want the Sport or SR5.

 

[GroovyGeek]

I am in the minority here but if this had come out in 2022 I would be driving a 2024 TRD Offroad Premium Iforce Max. That 4Runner is as much of an offroad vehicle as I will ever need, without the stupid compromises of a Bronco or a Wrangler - rimless windows, squeaky egg carton top that begs to be damanged, removable top and doors, interior appointments straight out of the 80s, and that "excellent" Made in Michigan build quality. At 60k before tax, I find it a good value relative to both the Bronco and the Wrangler. Just the extra 5 mpg will add up to $1k less in gas/year, so right off the bat it is cheaper than a 4dr BD (I am viewing the 4runner more or less as a BD equivalent with a Lux package... which Ford in all their wisdom does not allow us to order). No, I am not crazy about the exterior looks and much prefer the Bronco styling, but when I am inside the vehicle driving it I can't see what it looks like, and I am much too old to care about how a utility tool looks like.

 

[CitrusBronco]

I am in the minority here but if this had come out in 2022 I would be driving a 2024 TRD Offroad Premium Iforce Max. That 4Runner is as much of an offroad vehicle as I will ever need, without the stupid compromises of a Bronco or a Wrangler - rimless windows, squeaky egg carton top that begs to be damanged, removable top and doors, interior appointments straight out of the 80s, and that "excellent" Made in Michigan build quality. At 60k before tax, I find it a good value relative to both the Bronco and the Wrangler. Just the extra 5 mpg will add up to $1k less in gas/year, so right off the bat it is cheaper than a 4dr BD (I am viewing the 4runner more or less as a BD equivalent with a Lux package... which Ford in all their wisdom does not allow us to order). No, I am not crazy about the exterior looks and much prefer the Bronco styling, but when I am inside the vehicle driving it I can't see what it looks like, and I am much too old to care about how a utility tool looks like.

When you get your new 4Runner be sure to give us a rundown after a year of driving it. I’d like to know how it compares.
I don’t think your going to get an extra 5mpg over the Bronco unless your comparing the Sasquatch tire to the smallest Toyota tire. But that’s the kind of info I’m interested in.
The new 25 model 4runner interior looks like it’s from the early 80’s, they just slapped a screen onto the 80’s dash exterior, heck it’s not even integrated.
I’d give the Bronco a big win when it comes to exterior and interior styling over the Toyota.
I am sure the 4Runner will be a much quieter interior. But come on the Bronco top is 4 separate pieces and that’s one of the selling features for the Bronco or Wrangler. No one is buying them for the quieter ride. It’s for the flexibility and fun.
I think it could have been designed a lot better and it does not need to be noisy as hell. I wonder if the mod tops are any quieter than the mic.
I hope you enjoy your Bronco until the new 4Runner arrives. It’s always fun getting a new vehicle.

 

[V1Rotate]

Sure, but I'm also a member of the "Crossoverlanding" Facebook group full of guys running mostly stock Honda Pilots and Passports, Subarus, Mazda CXs through a lot of the same trails we overbuild our Broncos for. Gives me a really good chuckle.

The overwhelming majority of ALL 4x4 owners (name your model - wrangler, Bronco, 4runner, Taco, etc) could absolutely dominate whatever "trail" they're running in a Chrysler Pacifica much less whatever "build" they've come up with. For MOST people its more about the look than actual need.

The bronco in its stock config w/ sasquatch is wildly capable.. far greater than MOST people have the skills for. Yeah it has some weak links that need upgrading for those that actually wheel hard but it mostly breaks due to novices having no clue what one is doing. Change my mind

 

[Evergreen]

Seems to be an insane amount of overlap between these and the Land Cruiser both price wise and capability wise. Are there really any major differences aside from the 4Runner looking angry and the LC looking more retro?

 

[AZ_Craig]

Seems to be an insane amount of overlap between these and the Land Cruiser both price wise and capability wise. Are there really any major differences aside from the 4Runner looking angry and the LC looking more retro?

Honestly, the questionable value proposition of the Land Cruiser just got even more questionable. I think the 4Runner has it beat on cargo capacity also (both with and without the hybrid system) based on the numbers on Toyota's site. Land Cruiser is full time 4WD (versus part time in the 4Runner) and I think has a larger back seat area (need to back that up with the specs though). Differences are subtle though.

A Trailhunter or TRD Pro at ~$68K is a WAY better buy than a Cruiser trim with the premium package around the same price in my opinion. I looked at the Land Cruiser and was not overly impressed for the money before going for my Raptor.

If the new 4Runner had been available (without the likely insane ADM coming on them), it maybe would have been a bit harder choice. I have not personally driven one, but the automotive press seems to generally have the same opinion of the hybrid powertrain that it has really good low end torque and power but quickly runs out of steam accelerating (and the mid 7 0 to 60 numbers seem to back that up). The Land Cruiser felt down right slow; especially considering it had 326 hp and something like 445 lb/ft of torque.

 

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Sure, but I'm also a member of the "Crossoverlanding" Facebook group full of guys running mostly stock Honda Pilots and Passports, Subarus, Mazda CXs through a lot of the same trails we overbuild our Broncos for. Gives me a really good chuckle.

You make a good point. We don’t need 35’s and front lockers to go camping. I’ve had my wife’s Tiguan in state forests without an issue. A 4Runner will serve a lot of people just fine, even if I’d never trade my Bronco for one.

 

[Exec_B6spd]

I have a 5th gen, 2024 4Runner. Bought it before this came out, so i could get one before they ruined it.

Everyone knows It was a tough, well built, underpowered but reliable v6. Simple car, and large aftermarket.

What they have created is a complex, ugly in my opinion version of what is an odd market now between the 4Runner and the Landcruiser. Its less capable, more expensive and more complex. Whereas the 5th gen was clear who they were marketing towards. People who wanted a reliable truck SUV with enough tech but nothing over-encompassing.

Another problem I have:
The landcruiser is not a landcruiser its a prado with a mandatory hybrid 4cyl turbo because without the hybrid it would be extremely underpowered. They should have put a single turbo v6 in here, a modified version of the Tundra engine, or just stuck with the V8.

The 4Runner is built on the exact same platform with the non hybrid engine.

The landcruiser is around 5100lbs, and the 2025 4Runner is 6300lbs (TRD Offroad, most common). This is going to be very taxing to the engine, with a transmission thats already had a history of being an IED in the new tacomas.

Whats the point?

Toyota needs to stop F'ing around and just bring the landcruiser here that they build in the rest of the world, with the diesel open and a v8, with a manual trans option like in the middle east and Australia.

That said, ive had my bronco for about a month, its a perfect blend of simplicity and featureset. A little wider than my jeep which i appreciate inside. Manual and the 4cyl is perfect.

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