5" inch lift?

[TruckCamper]

My man, you been smokin crack...

Portals have 1 major drawback, they cost a fortune. Portals are 1000 times better than a drop bracket lift (that actually gives you ZERO percent more ground clearance). Sure you can fit bigger tires, just so you can break your stock axles).

CRACK.

Yeah.... you need to do more reading. Like 40 pages worth!

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[TruckCamper]

No other major drawbacks.

Also, context is important, "VS other large lifts" is implied, so changes in COG is implied.

Sure it's more maintenance, but that's not the end of the world. With a good race proven company like 74Weld you don't really have to worry about max speed use issues, no different then re-gearing. The ratio is 1.22, sure you're gonna be a little low geared if you start with a SAS at 4.70, it'll put you around 5.73. You could always re-gear to drop back down a bit. The 74Weld kit is fully compatible with Bronco ABS system.

You should work for 74W. They need more Kool-aid drinking promoters!

 

[SierraBronco]

You should work for 74W. They need more Kool-aid drinking promoters!

I want to hear more on his personal experience with 74weld and portals. I am ready to learn!

 

[AZ4x4Adventure]

As others have already stated and shown, this will be a lot of opinions. Without knowing your goals with your truck, it is hard to give advice. If you are looking for mostly a street application, and some fire roads to go camping, and some moderate offroading, the RC kit and others that drop the front subframe will do what you need. If I was getting something like that for a lift, I would certainly be doing 40" tires as a minimum.

Another option would be to get a coilover setup for a 3" lift and then get a body lift to allow for the 40" tires.

As long as you take into consideration that without upgrading your steering rack to the HOSS 3.0, hard offroading will be the end of your tie rods for sure, and then your steering rack if you upgrade your tie rods and force that HOSS 2.0 rack to attempt to steer 40s in a real offroad situation.



As a summary, if you want to do street and fire roads, 5" subframe drop and 40s will be just fine. If you want to hard offroad where you have to engage your lockers, 5" lift and 40s will require a lot of extra money to reinforce all the front steering to handle the tires.

 

[5GENIDN]

As others have already stated and shown, this will be a lot of opinions. Without knowing your goals with your truck, it is hard to give advice. If you are looking for mostly a street application, and some fire roads to go camping, and some moderate offroading, the RC kit and others that drop the front subframe will do what you need. If I was getting something like that for a lift, I would certainly be doing 40" tires as a minimum.

Another option would be to get a coilover setup for a 3" lift and then get a body lift to allow for the 40" tires.

As long as you take into consideration that without upgrading your steering rack to the HOSS 3.0, hard offroading will be the end of your tie rods for sure, and then your steering rack if you upgrade your tie rods and force that HOSS 2.0 rack to attempt to steer 40s in a real offroad situation.



As a summary, if you want to do street and fire roads, 5" subframe drop and 40s will be just fine. If you want to hard offroad where you have to engage your lockers, 5" lift and 40s will require a lot of extra money to reinforce all the front steering to handle the tires.

uuummmm..... I have 6.5 inches of lift and still have to trim to fit 40's.... but maybe that is just me wanting to turn.

 

[NC_Oak]

No other major drawbacks.

Also, context is important, "VS other large lifts" is implied, so changes in COG is implied.

Sure it's more maintenance, but that's not the end of the world. With a good race proven company like 74Weld you don't really have to worry about max speed use issues, no different then re-gearing. The ratio is 1.22, sure you're gonna be a little low geared if you start with a SAS at 4.70, it'll put you around 5.73. You could always re-gear to drop back down a bit. The 74Weld kit is fully compatible with Bronco ABS system.

We can probably tame the portal conversation on this thread. OP came in posting an RC lift kit. No chance he's interested in portals.

 

[Jdyount]

I want to hear more on his personal experience with 74weld and portals. I am ready to learn!

I've not had a bad experience with 74Weld. I did upgrade my rack with their stage 1 kit.

Sounds like I've missed a thread on them somewhere where there was some major negative feedback. Admittedly, I took about a year break from the forum.

As far as "drinking the Kool-aid", I'm an engineer so I can actually look past just the marketing. Not only does 74Weld have lengthy videos about their products and their design process (talking about why they did this vs that actually matters), but they are heavily involved in the race world. That means they've beat on their boxes a LOT, thus, lots and lots of engineered upgrades to address stuff that has broke.

Do I currently have portals, NO, but I plan to in the future. So tell me why (other than cost) a drop bracket lift is better than portals...

 

[Jdyount]

We can probably tame the portal conversation on this thread. OP came in posting an RC lift kit. No chance he's interested in portals.

You do have a point, looking at RC stuff, $17k in portals is probably not a part of OP's conversation....

 

[AZ4x4Adventure]

uuummmm..... I have 6.5 inches of lift and still have to trim to fit 40's.... but maybe that is just me wanting to turn.

Portals are awesome, and if it was in my budget, I would have a hard time figuring out if I wanted long travel or portals.

Your rub likely has something to do with your scrub radius being quite a bit more than stock. Braptor can fit 40s with minimal work. Width is similar between Braptor and Portals but because they have a much better scrub radius, much easier to make them work.....not telling you anything you don't already know.

 

[SierraBronco]

As far as "drinking the Kool-aid", I'm an engineer so I can actually look past just the marketing. Not only does 74Weld have lengthy videos about their products and their design process (talking about why they did this vs that actually matters), but they are heavily involved in the race world. That means they've beat on their boxes a LOT, thus, lots and lots of engineered upgrades to address stuff that has broke.

Super happy that you haven’t had any issues with your stage one steering rack modification

Your relying on engineering qualifications for validation is absolutely perfect given the circumstances. Reminds me of a company constantly touting perfection based on “aerospace engineering” and a history of racing. Carry on sir.

 

[OverBudget]

I've not had a bad experience with 74Weld. I did upgrade my rack with their stage 1 kit.

Sounds like I've missed a thread on them somewhere where there was some major negative feedback. Admittedly, I took about a year break from the forum.

As far as "drinking the Kool-aid", I'm an engineer so I can actually look past just the marketing. Not only does 74Weld have lengthy videos about their products and their design process (talking about why they did this vs that actually matters), but they are heavily involved in the race world. That means they've beat on their boxes a LOT, thus, lots and lots of engineered upgrades to address stuff that has broke.

Do I currently have portals, NO, but I plan to in the future. So tell me why (other than cost) a drop bracket lift is better than portals...

ehhhh, saying "i look past their marketing" and following it up with the racing stuff is kind of funny. just because a company is used in racing, doesn't mean they are problem free on the consumer end. a racing team is less likely to talk negatively about a company sponsoring them parts, and a company is more likely to cater to a racing team. saying something is derived from racing is 100% marketing just as much as saying "aerospace grade aluminum".

someone else can fill you in on the 74w situation here but the TLDR is that there is some design or QC issue seemingly after they redesigned their portals, resulting in brake failures and oil leaks from what ive read about. im sure youll soon find out more if you do some reading here.

 

[87-Z28]

I think you are all full of sht.

7” drop bracket for the win. I just wish 74weld made a kit. With their precision machining and aerospace aluminum (pretty sure it is as good as vibranium) they could make a 15” kit. I would slap on 50s then. No rub, vertical fender/tire clearance is all that matters anyway. Can probably go even bigger than 50s. What could go wrong. I am pretty sure they race this kit or some completely different design. Doesn’t matter, a race is a race.

 

[Jdyount]

ehhhh, saying "i look past their marketing" and following it up with the racing stuff is kind of funny. just because a company is used in racing, doesn't mean they are problem free on the consumer end. a racing team is less likely to talk negatively about a company sponsoring them parts, and a company is more likely to cater to a racing team. saying something is derived from racing is 100% marketing just as much as saying "aerospace grade aluminum".

someone else can fill you in on the 74w situation here but the TLDR is that there is some design or QC issue seemingly after they redesigned their portals, resulting in brake failures and oil leaks from what ive read about. im sure youll soon find out more if you do some reading here.

There is a difference when you say oil or something like that is "race proven".

This is a major drive-train component. From an engineering aspect, if they're racing, they're using it hard, beating on it hard, and they're finding and fixing failure points. In one of my automated systems, it may take months and months before I see a failure that would require re-engineering a part, that process works much faster on racing components because racing and its increased stresses necessitates a much faster product evolution. It matters on something like this, 100%. Lessons learned from racing are also obviously implemented into future designs.

I will have to track down the threads to see what's going on with their gen 2 portals. The other thing with their stuff being so expensive, I doubt their sitting on a lot of stock. It all being CNC machined (not cast) they shouldn't have any issue making revisions in their parts.

 

[SierraBronco]

I think you are all full of sht.

7” drop bracket for the win. I just wish 74weld made a kit. With their precision machining and aerospace aluminum (pretty sure it is as good as vibranium) they could make a 15” kit. I would slap on 50s then. No rub, vertical fender/tire clearance is all that matters anyway. Can probably go even bigger than 50s. What could go wrong. I am pretty sure they race this kit or some completely different design. Doesn’t matter, a race is a race.

And as any with functioning eyes and basic powers of observation will tell you-the race portals are EXACTLY the same as the $17k portals.

Hey did we ever find out why the successful racers don’t run portals in the back? Even sponsored and getting as many free portals as they want, no portals out back. Seems weird.

 

[OverBudget]

There is a difference when you say oil or something like that is "race proven".

This is a major drive-train component. From an engineering aspect, if they're racing, they're using it hard, beating on it hard, and they're finding and fixing failure points. In one of my automated systems, it may take months and months before I see a failure that would require re-engineering a part, that process works much faster on racing components because racing and its increased stresses necessitates a much faster product evolution. It matters on something like this, 100%. Lessons learned from racing are also obviously implemented into future designs.

I will have to track down the threads to see what's going on with their gen 2 portals. The other thing with their stuff being so expensive, I doubt their sitting on a lot of stock. It all being CNC machined (not cast) they shouldn't have any issue making revisions in their parts.

sadly, that isn't always how "race proven" works. race proven in a lot of cases just means it was used on some race cars, doesn't really speak to the quality of the part. their portals as an example could very easily be leaking oil on the race trucks, no body will really know unless a 3rd party looks or if a relationship between 74w and a race team goes sour and the team starts sharing(if there's anything to share), but since they survive a race they are now labeled as "race proven". now put that portal on a consumer rig thats going to be traveling down the highway all year and wheeling and that oil leak that didnt hurt the race truck now becomes an issue and causes a failure. (this is obviously just a fabricated scenario but is also easily a possibility for many companies, not just 74w.)

you are looking at this from to much of a point of view of if you made it, and you were in control. it is the ideal point of view yes, but doesn't mean its what is happening.

there are documented cases of issues with their portals, oil leaks being the least "catastrophic".

Edit: race proven can also be a broad term, it could indicate that the core design is race proven in some form, but there might be differences between consumer and race parts that don't 100% jive when adapted and require their own QC to iron out.

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