Rival: 2029 Xterra News & Previews

[crenca]

If Nissan can keep the price under the 4Runner price point, I think it can carve its own little segment into the current 4WD market (mainly out of the Toyota slice of pie)

This is right. It is not a Bronco/Wrangler competitor, rather a 4Runner/Land Cruiser one.

@5GENIDN electric is an answer to a question that for most is not a problem (indeed just substitutes in its own problems), which is why it is not anything more or less then a niche capitalist opportunity, the size of which was temporarily artificially inflated by the cult, but a market correction is occuring now.

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[5GENIDN]

This is right. It is not a Bronco/Wrangler competitor, rather a 4Runner/Land Cruiser one.

@5GENIDN electric is an answer to a question that for most is not a problem (indeed just substitutes in its own problems), which is why it is not anything more or less then a niche capitalist opportunity, the size of which was temporarily artificially inflated by the cult, but a market correction is occuring now.

I guess my opinion is that you will be proven wrong... It is going to take a decade or so... but.... And I am not trying to save the planet or anything like that. Electric propulsion is simply far superior to ICE in power, efficiency and durability... IF the manufacturers would just get rid of all the fricken little "I want to be a cell phone with wheels" crap they are adding. Batteries, charging times, dendrite growth are problems that are changing right in front of us.

And if manufacturers were not solving problems that did not exist before they solved it we would all still be driven Model Ts.

 

[crenca]

I guess my opinion is that you will be proven wrong... It is going to take a decade or so... but.... And I am not trying to save the planet or anything like that. Electric propulsion is simply far superior to ICE in power, efficiency and durability... IF the manufacturers would just get rid of all the fricken little "I want to be a cell phone with wheels" crap they are adding. Batteries, charging times, dendrite growth are problems that are changing right in front of us.

And if manufacturers were not solving problems that did not exist before they solved it we would all still be driven Model Ts.

Yours is a common opinion. I have a different one: EV will not be more than 15% of the market for the next 25 and maybe even 50 years. Hybrid will be big, but ICE only will still be half. This will be true even if all the problems you state are solved and then some.

Like so many things in life, ICE is good enough... perfection and improvement become problems when they become things justified for themselves.

 

[5GENIDN]

Yours is a common opinion. I have a different one: EV will not be more than 15% of the market for the next 25 and maybe even 50 years. Hybrid will be big, but ICE only will still be half. This will be true even if all the problems you state are solved and then some.

Like so many things in life, ICE is good enough... perfection and improvement become problems when they become things justified for themselves.

You may well be proven correct.... IF progress takes a different curve than what has been traditional for almost any technology. Historically the curve is pretty steep with a number of oscillations typical early in the curve.

 

[87-Z28]

And I am not trying to save the planet or anything like that. Electric propulsion is simply far superior to ICE in power, efficiency and durability...

I love my ICE vehicles and don’t intend to switch with the currently available technology on EVs…. But this is hard to argue against.

very curious where this technology will go. I struggle to keep politics out of science, they just don’t mix well. Science has no agenda and is pure, but very poorly understood. So it is easily corruptible and misrepresented. I say let the technology fall where it may.

I just don’t see a use case for ICE vehicles rapidly disappearing, especially in the US. And most definitely hope politics stays the fck out of the way and doesn’t hinder my ability to choose either. Let me decide what is best for me. ICE baby ICE for me today.

And if manufacturers were not solving problems that did not exist before they solved it we would all still be driven Model Ts.

Exactly the point of progressive forward thinking R and D. You are behind the curve if you are simply addressing current state.

 

[Brian_B]

Apart from my confidence in Nissan .. a sub-40k off roader bringing some actual competition to the market can only be a good thing, even if you are a die hard Ford (or otherwise) fan.

For the Ice Vs Hybrid vs EV thing -- I'm with 5genidn on this one. Hybrids ~can~ bring so many great advantages, but there have been a lot of piss poor implementations in practice.

 

[Altitude]

Yours is a common opinion. I have a different one: EV will not be more than 15% of the market for the next 25 and maybe even 50 years. Hybrid will be big, but ICE only will still be half. This will be true even if all the problems you state are solved and then some.

Like so many things in life, ICE is good enough... perfection and improvement become problems when they become things justified for themselves.

Only in the US. The rest of the world is embracing EVs. It is what it is. 25% of new global car sales in the world were EVs in 2025, and Its going to increase exponentially soon with more countries now accepting very cheap Chinese EVs . I own 5 vehicles ( 3 SUVs and 2 motorcycles) , none of which are EV or hybrid, so I'm not some huge proponent of it, but it is what it is. Ford and GM pulling back to focus on the US market will doom them, unless supported by US Government funds, which never goes well.

 

[vrtical]

I guess my opinion is that you will be proven wrong... It is going to take a decade or so... but.... And I am not trying to save the planet or anything like that. Electric propulsion is simply far superior to ICE in power, efficiency and durability... IF the manufacturers would just get rid of all the fricken little "I want to be a cell phone with wheels" crap they are adding. Batteries, charging times, dendrite growth are problems that are changing right in front of us.

And if manufacturers were not solving problems that did not exist before they solved it we would all still be driven Model Ts.

There has been significant movement in the last two years on advancing solutions to get away from liquid form lithium batteries as in more like solid state. I don't think its 10 years out more like 5. All the auto manufacturers continue R&D while the scientific community works on the solutions. The other route is continued ramp up of hybrid hydrogen solutions, but those fit well in commercial applications.

 

[jtgensler]

I had a 2011 Xterra. Still the only vehicle I ever purchased brand new.
Purchase price was 24k for a base model.
3 miles on the ODO.
Was a solid ride.
Had it for 50k miles, only things I had to do to it were tires around 36k & a battery at 40k.
It was "totaled" in an accident when a driver of a late 80s/early 90s Chevy 1500 slid across into my lane on wet roads.
I saw it coming & steered just enough to take the impact down the drivers side instead of head on.
Knocked me sideways enough to put it in a ditch.
I hit 4wd, crawled out of the ditch, got his insurance info & drove it home lol.

They were solid mechanically, reliable, affordable & rugged enough, with some cool styling.
For 2028 if they can do that for under 40k on a base model, they'll have no problem selling it.

 

[jtgensler]

I'm with @5GENIDN on electric having it's advantages.
Also coming from a locomotive world, where I've been at a main supplier to one of the legacy large OEM locomotive manufacturers, we see all the benefits of their hybrid system.

That, in my view, is the way forward.
Need to think more like Edison, Scout & the Ram Charger - how can we take the benefits of electric propulsion & combine them with an ICE that is running inside it's optimal parameters to be most efficient.

Then you start seeing serious gains on efficiency for a lot of people.

 

[Roger123]

I like it, I'll be in the market for a replacement for my '15 Grand Cherokee around then, hope it ticks the boxes. I'm pretty disappointed in the Gen 6 4-Runner (my daughter just bought one and overall the car is really nice) due to how they changed the rear seats. Can no longer just flip them down and sleep in it like I can in my GC. I camp out of my GC and it's really nice to just be able to fold the rear seats down and sleep in it.

 

[Kevin Scarbel]

While the Datsun 240Z and 510 will forever be dearest to my heart, I would refrain from purchasing a Nissan or Infinity product now, given the company's situation.

 

[JustWideman]

Just a Frontier without a bed.

It makes since to make another flavor on the production line as Ranger/Bronco and the Taco/4Runner do the same thing and the Frontier is not a volume seller. At least it is not a dressed up Pathfinder.

 

[j_marinelli]

While the Datson 240Z and 510 will forever be dearest to my heart, I would refrain from purchasing a Nissan or Infinity product now, given the company's situation.

I will respectfully disagree based on my personal experience with the brand. Purchased their little Kicks last year to be my daily commuter car and to then pass down to my son when he gets his driver's license. It has about 12k miles on it and hasn't had a single issue which is a bit of a contrast to my Bronco (though nothing serious). Our family has primarily purchase Fords or Nissan/Infiniti in the last 20 years and would say the Nissan/Infiniti brand has had far less problems than the Fords we have owned.

 

[wjtinfwb]

I do not understand the animosity toward electric.... It is far superior as far as instant torque, has dramatically fewer moving parts, Lasts considerably longer than conventional ICE and simply is an improvement.

The ONLY downside I see with electric is the weight of batteries.

Electric vehicles have serious recall issues only because of the complicated communications and infotainment systems manufacturers are using today. If simplified to driveline only electric propulsion is significantly more reliable and more durable.

I used to rebuild locomotives... They were a diesel electric hybrid. There is no way a diesel engine by itself could move the loads that the hybrid can move. The diesel engines were always the first thing that failed. The electric motors would only need windings replaced after 50 YEARS of continuous use.

A couple other shortcomings of EVs... Range. Cold weather. Charging infrastructure. Cost of battery replacement when failure occurs. Resale value. I'm intrigued about EVs and could see myself buying an inexpensive one for local errands, etc. But no way would it be my primary vehicle and I'd want it to be under 25k new or perhaps a used one with warranty remaining to push me over the ledge.

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