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Cool. Price sounds good.

That one article talks about no manual and no removable doors and such.

So - again, cool, but I'm certainly not interested in it.
 

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Two things hit me right away... First, while I love the idea of electrics (and this is announced to be electrified) Hybrid? Battery electric? gas version? (I should have read more thoroughly) any battery seriously compromises an off road vehicle as far as weight, in my opinion.
Second, small wheel wells.... Up sizing those tires would be challenging it appears.... again only on first look.
 

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I think Nissan will easily hit sub $40k with a 2wd base model. It will just be recycled frontier parts, which are already out dated

I hope they use a setup like Ram's E-Torque. Couple hundred pounds and just adds 2-3mpg.
 

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Its 2026, can we stop with Hybrid crap already, they’re gonna be doing away with A.S.S. Soon as it is and gas is getting cheaper as well
I do not understand the animosity toward electric.... It is far superior as far as instant torque, has dramatically fewer moving parts, Lasts considerably longer than conventional ICE and simply is an improvement.

The ONLY downside I see with electric is the weight of batteries.

Electric vehicles have serious recall issues only because of the complicated communications and infotainment systems manufacturers are using today. If simplified to driveline only electric propulsion is significantly more reliable and more durable.

I used to rebuild locomotives... They were a diesel electric hybrid. There is no way a diesel engine by itself could move the loads that the hybrid can move. The diesel engines were always the first thing that failed. The electric motors would only need windings replaced after 50 YEARS of continuous use.
 

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Second, small wheel wells.... Up sizing those tires would be challenging it appears.... again only on first look.
That was a SEMA build New Frontier X Old Xterra mash-up, so... they never actually drive it anywhere but on/off a trailer, haha.

Also, the batteries are a much bigger problem than weight; fires, environmental impact of heavy metals, mining, mutilated children and slave-wage workers, poor range and life-span.

I'd love DE hybrid cars, but that's not happening and no EV or hybrid vehicle nor manufacturer is being held to proper standards because they have such a cult behind the forced implementation of them for the feeling of helping the environment.

I'd love to ban all combustion engines in densely populated cities/metro areas for the smog and noise(echo) sometimes. In California now and probably around the highest per car-pita EV and EV drivers are careless which is reckless when you're surrounded by a cloud of white Model 3s with not one paying attention to their surroundings. On the regular streets, each of these silent missiles has someone behind the wheel looking down at their phone but can hit 60mph in 3 seconds or whatever. Fortunately, they're usually so engrossed in their phones that I have to honk to let them know when the light turns green or it's their turn at the stop sign. I'm surprised the crash rate isn't 10 times what it is.

My only objection to any EV or hybrid implementation with the new Xterra is that Nissan will be in charge, lol. I don't see the Leaf scaling up for anything under $100k to fulfill all of this promised puffery.

...but please lobby for DE cars, please!
 

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I do not understand the animosity toward electric.... It is far superior as far as instant torque, has dramatically fewer moving parts, Lasts considerably longer than conventional ICE and simply is an improvement.

The ONLY downside I see with electric is the weight of batteries.

Electric vehicles have serious recall issues only because of the complicated communications and infotainment systems manufacturers are using today. If simplified to driveline only electric propulsion is significantly more reliable and more durable.

I used to rebuild locomotives... They were a diesel electric hybrid. There is no way a diesel engine by itself could move the loads that the hybrid can move. The diesel engines were always the first thing that failed. The electric motors would only need windings replaced after 50 YEARS of continuous use.
Offroaders and EV's are basically Peanut Butter and Mayonnaise, plus they're basically disposable vs rebuildable due to the costs involved and complexity of the batteries and electronics.

New Landcrusher and 4runner perfect examples; you can get a 4runner without batteries, and if something breaks, upgrade it. 20 years from now you got a 6th gen built for 400-500whp due to replacing the turbos, building it up and stuff over time with better aftermarket parts

... Landcrusher? The costs of the Hybrid system mean its basically tossed aside.

As for pure EV's; Thermal Runaway, they just spontaneously combust out of nowhere and are harder to put out than gas fires, nevermind the whole "40 under 40" (Lose 40% range under 40)

A typical gas pump can serve like 12-15 cars an hour, a typical EV charge can handle 2-3 cars. Can't carry Jerry Cans of electricity around if you're in the woods and need to charge, you can get two 2-5 gallon (idk how big off hand) cans and fill up as your deep in the woods.

Again, 2021-2024 are over, unless they're doing the 4runner approach of optional hybrids, then no, just no
 

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I do not understand the animosity toward electric.... It is far superior as far as instant torque, has dramatically fewer moving parts, Lasts considerably longer than conventional ICE and simply is an improvement.

The ONLY downside I see with electric is the weight of batteries.

Electric vehicles have serious recall issues only because of the complicated communications and infotainment systems manufacturers are using today. If simplified to driveline only electric propulsion is significantly more reliable and more durable.

I used to rebuild locomotives... They were a diesel electric hybrid. There is no way a diesel engine by itself could move the loads that the hybrid can move. The diesel engines were always the first thing that failed. The electric motors would only need windings replaced after 50 YEARS of continuous use.
Interesting about the locomotives.

I agree. While I'm not really into full electric (nor do I think full electric is some solution to any chronic energy/fuel problem), I think the hybrids have potential - things like the 4xe. I never owned one, but it seems the little bit of electric they used might be nice for the on demand torque while mainly relying on ICE. I never looked into the extra weight of the batteries and what those implications were, but it just seems like it would have some potential - and not gonna lie, I only live about 10 mins from work and those 30 miles of electric you get out of it would get me to and from without needing gas - problem is, my freakin' home electric bill is through the roof now already (like everyone else).
 

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Offroaders and EV's are basically Peanut Butter and Mayonnaise, plus they're basically disposable vs rebuildable due to the costs involved and complexity of the batteries and electronics.

New Landcrusher and 4runner perfect examples; you can get a 4runner without batteries, and if something breaks, upgrade it. 20 years from now you got a 6th gen built for 400-500whp due to replacing the turbos, building it up and stuff over time with better aftermarket parts

... Landcrusher? The costs of the Hybrid system mean its basically tossed aside.

As for pure EV's; Thermal Runaway, they just spontaneously combust out of nowhere and are harder to put out than gas fires, nevermind the whole "40 under 40" (Lose 40% range under 40)

A typical gas pump can serve like 12-15 cars an hour, a typical EV charge can handle 2-3 cars. Can't carry Jerry Cans of electricity around if you're in the woods and need to charge, you can get two 2-5 gallon (idk how big off hand) cans and fill up as your deep in the woods.

Again, 2021-2024 are over, unless they're doing the 4runner approach of optional hybrids, then no, just no
Run away fires is not out of no where. It happens when dendrite growth penetrates the electrolyte layer. AND yes there are formidable issues with "types" of Batteries. That technology is increasing so fast that I do not believe that will be a problem in the very near future. I have been tracking much of the research. It has been rather fascinating. Again though. your issues are with the current state of batteries not electrical propulsion.

That same dendrite growth is what is shortening the life span of the batteries. There are tens of thousands of people working to address that right now. I am rather excited about some of the possibilities that are currently in trials, mainly the solid state which will increase energy density and temperature performance while eliminating many of the issues you just mentioned including the social ills currently involved with extraction.

It is not like ICE motors do not have any ill effects. All of those things you mentioned need to be addressed. You are right. But I would argue that the future for electrical is far brighter than the future for ICE...

And Squatch I do not believe it is a "cult" driving any of this... while I agree there are evangelists that are way over the top (as there are with any technology ...Like AI) I think most of this is being driven by capitalistic opportunity. As a company you definitely do not want to fall behind the window of opportunity curve.... History is littered with companies that missed the window.
 

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Saw this render over the weekend too.

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As someone that came from the Xterra community prior to the Bronco, I am eager to see what the final iteration will look like. Biggest gripe I had with mine was the amount of work you had to do to get larger tires on ( P265/75R16 from the factory) as well as the aftermarket segment is a fraction to it is for the Bronco, Jeep, and even 4Runner. My favorite part about it? Drivetrain was bullet proof for me and also the passenger seat being able to fold flat allowing for more space.

If Nissan can keep the price under the 4Runner price point, I think it can carve its own little segment into the current 4WD market (mainly out of the Toyota slice of pie)
 

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Cool. Price sounds good.

That one article talks about no manual and no removable doors and such.

So - again, cool, but I'm certainly not interested in it.
I definitely want a Bronco with no removable door and roof. And put it on the F series frame (shorter of course, don’t care for a bed)
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