- First Name
- redneck
- Joined
- Jan 3, 2020
- Threads
- 25
- Messages
- 5,418
- Reaction score
- 17,158
- Location
- Central PA
- Vehicle(s)
- 88 5.0 LX, 08 F-150 Stepside, 22 Expl Timberline
- Your Bronco Model
- Base
Sponsored
Sponsored
Sa’ar, please respect the motorcycle thread.
- First Name
- redneck
- Joined
- Jan 3, 2020
- Threads
- 25
- Messages
- 5,418
- Reaction score
- 17,158
- Location
- Central PA
- Vehicle(s)
- 88 5.0 LX, 08 F-150 Stepside, 22 Expl Timberline
- Your Bronco Model
- Base
- First Name
- redneck
- Joined
- Jan 3, 2020
- Threads
- 25
- Messages
- 5,418
- Reaction score
- 17,158
- Location
- Central PA
- Vehicle(s)
- 88 5.0 LX, 08 F-150 Stepside, 22 Expl Timberline
- Your Bronco Model
- Base
Not trying to derail the thread but all this talk about strength and load got me thinking of something, it is shock related and about the strength and proper mounting of a coil over. And yes I said coil over not strut, the Bronco has coilovers not struts, it’s my pet peeve. I’m getting off track now 
I recall a post by Randy Slawson showing his shock setup. When first saw it, I thought to myself, WOW, that looks like it would snap on the first turn. Then I thought to myself, it must work Randy is the KING when it comes to the Hammers. Then I scrolled through the comments.
Every internet warrior told him how wrong it was. Then he reminds them, “This setup has won the Hammers. You people crack me up. “
So as with many threads here, I enjoy the conversation, that is why I posted the popcorn.
I recall a post by Randy Slawson showing his shock setup. When first saw it, I thought to myself, WOW, that looks like it would snap on the first turn. Then I thought to myself, it must work Randy is the KING when it comes to the Hammers. Then I scrolled through the comments.
Every internet warrior told him how wrong it was. Then he reminds them, “This setup has won the Hammers. You people crack me up. “So as with many threads here, I enjoy the conversation, that is why I posted the popcorn.
WTF. You
… Fine…. Whatever… I will stop using the word strut. I have always assumed if it is load bearing part of the suspension it is a strut. Coilovers are load bearing. So I just use strut. But coilover is more relevant for sure… longer to type out on my phone…
Sponsored
I wanted to check out the post but it won’t direct me, daheckNot trying to derail the thread but all this talk about strength and load got me thinking of something, it is shock related and about the strength and proper mounting of a coil over. And yes I said coil over not strut, the Bronco has coilovers not struts, it’s my pet peeve. I’m getting off track now
I recall a post by Randy Slawson showing his shock setup. When first saw it, I thought to myself, WOW, that looks like it would snap on the first turn. Then I thought to myself, it must work Randy is the KING when it comes to the Hammers. Then I scrolled through the comments.
So as with many threads here, I enjoy the conversation, that is why I posted the popcorn.
But I did notice he’s actually running a rear portal setup.
- First Name
- redneck
- Joined
- Jan 3, 2020
- Threads
- 25
- Messages
- 5,418
- Reaction score
- 17,158
- Location
- Central PA
- Vehicle(s)
- 88 5.0 LX, 08 F-150 Stepside, 22 Expl Timberline
- Your Bronco Model
- Base
WTF. You
I have always assumed if it is load bearing part of the suspension it is a strut. Coilovers are load bearing. So I just use strut. But coilover is more relevant for sure… longer to type out on my phone…
You know I love you man!! I had explained that point to many around here years ago. When I would talk to the sales reps from companies that would advertise "struts" for an F150. When I explained it to them, I would get.......
Strut is an integral part of the suspension.
Coilover controls the suspension.
That is the problem in our industry. Back in the 80s Ford couldn't call an EGR valve, an EGR valve. Had to call it something else and confuse everyone.
Sorry some things irk me.
- First Name
- redneck
- Joined
- Jan 3, 2020
- Threads
- 25
- Messages
- 5,418
- Reaction score
- 17,158
- Location
- Central PA
- Vehicle(s)
- 88 5.0 LX, 08 F-150 Stepside, 22 Expl Timberline
- Your Bronco Model
- Base
I wanted to check out the post but it won’t direct me, daheck
But I did notice he’s actually running a rear portal setup.
That post was from 2022. Might be why it has a hard time "linking". He is trying the portals for the first time this year, if I recall. The man builds some sick shit.
I wonder why he didn’t go with the regular bolt on portals. They’re bulletproof and good to 1000hp.
I really like this. I am convinced. May even tattoo this on my forehead.
I suppose a key for large travel long arm rear suspensions under extreme wheel travel, is to make sure the coilover doesn’t become a strut (an integral part of the suspension). If it does that sucker is gonna take loads it is not designed for.
keeping lateral axle motion to a minimum would really help. Easier said than done for extreme travel and articulation.
Sponsored
- First Name
- redneck
- Joined
- Jan 3, 2020
- Threads
- 25
- Messages
- 5,418
- Reaction score
- 17,158
- Location
- Central PA
- Vehicle(s)
- 88 5.0 LX, 08 F-150 Stepside, 22 Expl Timberline
- Your Bronco Model
- Base
Not arguing this definition just trying to understand it.... I am not quite grasping the nuance. I must be slow or something... wait.... do not answer that....
How exactly is a coil over not an integral part of the suspension.... When I remove them nothing seems suspended.... I understand if the coil and the shock are separate... remove the shock and the vehicle is still "suspended"... Remove the coil however.... You are not going anywhere with a shock bottomed out and no spring.... I guess it is just the spring part I am struggling with... The strut is the same issue... remove the strut and nothing is suspended.... Now I do not think you are going to replace just the coil on a strut... It seems to be more of an all or nothing. Maybe I am wrong. Does anybody replace just the shock or just the coil on a strut?
It seems maybe that a coil over shock I can replace either the coil or the shock and it will work (to varying degrees of success... but a strut I have to replace the whole thing it seems to built as one piece. There is probably something I am not seeing here.
Last edited:
- First Name
- Caleb
- Joined
- Nov 14, 2021
- Threads
- 59
- Messages
- 1,513
- Reaction score
- 5,022
- Location
- Sacramento
- Vehicle(s)
- 2021 Bronco/1996 Jeep XJ/1957 FC-150
- Your Bronco Model
- Big Bend
Installed, I’m basically a SxS now lol
lol
Maybe a nuance is when considering motion of the wheel. For the double wishbone front, and I suppose for the 5 link rear SA, the kinematics of wheel motion are fully defined by the control arms and links. Same kinematics with and without the coilover attached. Coilover only acts to apply forces that “control” kinematics.
This is not the case for a macpherson strut suspension, which has the coilover/strut directly integral to the wheel kinematic motion.
I guess that does make sense to think of the motion as opposed to the suspension... Thank you Andy... That helped me. For some reason I seemed locked in on "Suspension"Maybe a nuance is when considering motion of the wheel. For the double wishbone front, and I suppose for the 5 link rear SA, the kinematics of wheel motion are fully defined by the control arms and links. Same kinematics with and without the coilover attached. Coilover only acts to apply forces that “control” kinematics.
This is not the case for a macpherson strut suspension, which has the coilover/strut directly integral to the wheel kinematic motion.
Sponsored
