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Lines 4 & 5 are the Ride shock numbers.
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Lines 4 & 5 are the Ride shock numbers.
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Oh ok I see, so they are all roughly the same, just wonder what the shock differences are between Icon for instance and Ride. I noticed Icon has that controller that does everything on the fly for you but not sure if the shock itself is better than Ride. I'm sure they are all decent.
After seeing video of the kings with a 24.6 extensionon the front just start to create bind in the CV... (not much but enough it could be "seen") I had Accutune add the .30 limiting disk inside the shock... so my extended length does not exceed 24.3 inch in front.... I am glad I did that! The Icon's have a 24.53 extension in front. I will let you draw your own conclusions....
Oh... and as for adjustment.... I have found the only time I am adjusting (or even want to) is when I am airing up or airing down.... Perfect time to walk around the vehicle, adjust my dampeners, and check everything over.
I guess an interior adjuster would have been nice the first few months of putting these on as I figured out where I liked the adjusters... But after that I know where I like them for the ride I want...
I am going to say the most dominant parameter for suspension response is the spring rate. It dictates the fundamental frequency of your suspension, both displacements and transmitted forces. You want to get that dialed in. The damper (shock) then simply varies both displacements and forces about the fundamental frequency response. All of the fancy coilovers have multiple adjustments to vary damping values, some more than others. Ride has some good literature on adjusting damping values.
if you are not sure about the details I would let ride dial in your spring rate and valve the dampers based on your use case. Easy to get it wrong and they have experience with this.
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Dialing in the best spring rate is difficult since there are not many options to choose from. Rear springs have been the most challenging for us and other brands and usually have custom unique multi-rate springs that are not commonly found by suppliers like Eibach.
Valving inside the shock is the biggest factor when it comes to ride quality and controlling the suspension, not just the springs. Digressive vs Linear pistons, adjusters etc. there are a lot of super technical details that will make Ride Shocks stand out amongst the other brands. Fox vs King vs Ride but for Tacomas
absolutely. You guys do a great job. Just some additional thoughts on spring rates that many folks don’t consider.
Damping can overcome and control lots of suspension responses. It is pragmatically a much easier parameter to control than spring rate and thus has much more profound real world applications.
not being argumentative, I fully understand the difficulties with dialing in spring rate. But spring rate not damping dictates the fundamental response of the suspension. Damping is a powerful controller, it transmits forces and displacements but is limited to the fundamental frequency response. A theoretical argument and perhaps not very practical.
I have a big issue with the one size fits all spring rate approach.
https://www.bronco6g.com/forum/threads/bronco-ifs-sdof-model-why-is-spring-rate-so-important.116898/
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So out of curiosity, does the weight of the tire/wheel setup also dictate which spring you get or is it negligible? For instance the Toyota MTs in 37x13.50 are 94 lbs whereas some ATs in 37x12.50 are 63lbs. Huge difference in weight for roughly the same size tire on paper.
Of course unsprung mass matters but it can be tuned out by the damper.
My academic background drives me towards more theoretical discussions. There most definitely exists an ideal spring rate for your given as built Bronco that satisfies your use case. That requires an infinite number of spring rates. The guys building the coilovers then say “what moron designed this with an infinite number of spring rates”. Just not very practical. There does however exist a compromise using maybe a few different rates.
Accutune offers different spring rates and can tune the damping to best address your concerns. If you are looking to spend 5k ish then that is a good option for you. They can guide you. I would reach out to them. Don’t let the theoretical talk confuse you. It is just there for additional context that some may be interested in.
My academic background drives me towards more theoretical discussions. There most definitely exists an ideal spring rate for your given as built Bronco that satisfies your use case. That requires an infinite number of spring rates. The guys building the coilovers then say “what moron designed this with an infinite number of spring rates”. Just not very practical. There does however exist a compromise using maybe a few different rates.
Accutune offers different spring rates and can tune the damping to best address your concerns. If you are looking to spend 5k ish then that is a good option for you. They can guide you. I would reach out to them. Don’t let the theoretical talk confuse you. It is just there for additional context that some may be interested in.
Talk about unsprung weight!!!! I have a bit of that... LOL... I am running portals at 50 and 60 pounds per corner and then I am running a "not light weight" Nitto Trail grappler 40x13.5....
Accutune walked me through choice of springs and dampeners. I like a linear dampening so went that direction.... My overall ride, on road and off road, is VASTLY improved over the stock HOSS 2 the truck came with. Now there is some very interesting differences.... I can "feel" that heavy unsprung weight. I went with a spring that was appropriate for my "sprung" weight but I also went with a 2.5 dampener to help compensate for the unsprung weight..... I absolutely LOVE how it rides now.
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I want the portals but don't
Will AccuTune have an option for up to stage 5 suspension on the Bronco like they do on the Jeep, right now I see bronco having options up to stage 3 whereas Jeep has it up to stage 5 to run 40s. Maybe stage 5 can't be done with the IFS Bronco.
The different stages are not necessarily equal across other vehicle applications.
What else would you like to see in our Bronco Stage 3 kit?
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Would be nice to have the little shock skid plates t
Would be nice to see the little skid plates that can be mounted to protect your expensive shocks, I think Readylift and BDS offer those as part of their package. Maybe even have tie rods as an option to go with the kit. Also Clarify exact tire width acceptable to go along with the kit (is 13.50 width doable or not or is it just for standard 12.50) I think only diameter of 37 is stated without width. In addition, clarify recommended wheel offset one should use with your kit depending on tire 37 tire width. If you can make your kit work with the 37x13.50r17 Toyota Open Country MT then any other 37 inch tires would fit IMO. I think Ready lift has deteiled recommendations for tire size and wheel offset with disclaimer that u may need some cutting done. They offer up to 38s with their kit.
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Thanks for the feedback. I do like the idea of the shock skid plates. No matter what shocks you are running, those mounts hang down low and can easily get damaged. Upgraded tie rods will be something we add in the future.
We typically recommend a specific tire/wheel combo that has worked for us, but unfortunately we can't list every option. Like mentioned before, lift height doesn't determine what size tire you can fit. To do it right, you would need to remove the spring from the coilover and cycle the suspension in every direction. There are so many variables. Tire sizes are great to reference, but not all manufactures will have the exact same dimensions. Very common to see various true numbers.
Technically we have a Ride Shocks equipped customer running 40" tires on their Bronco.
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Question? Doesnt the Preload effect the spring rate a good deal also. Say a 400 in/Lb, 16inch long with 2 inches of Preload, VS the same spring with 3 inches or preload for desired lift would effect the ride as well.... in theory a 500 in/lb with an inch of preload for the same lift would ride better?
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