How can water enter the engine?

[broncabilly]

Question Is the charge pipe and the intercooler the same thing? I'm still attempting to work with dealer, but I think they're set to just blow it off. Going to request a smoke test.
Thank you all!

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[PWillette]

Question Is the charge pipe and the intercooler the same thing? I'm still attempting to work with dealer, but I think they're set to just blow it off. Going to request a smoke test.
Thank you all!

No, the charge pipes connect to the intercooler, one from the turbo (inlet pipe) and one to the intake (outlet pipe). @flip may have a diagram.

 

[ScLeCo]

If it was the charge pipes or the intercooler you would have had one hell of a boost leak.

 

[da_jokker]

Yeah no way you sucked in water via the filter. There are plenty of pictures of what happens to these paper air filters when they get wet. They basically collapse and almost look like they start to disintegrate.

If the Ford dealer is claiming water went through that air filter they're full of it and have no idea. (But your air filter is not seated fully in that picture fyi)

Sounds to me like water got on some other way. Problem is it doesn't sound like a hydrolock situation. Water got into the oil, which toasted the bearings/internals, which seized the motor.

So all this talk about leaking intercooler seems far fetched to me because there was water found in the oil long before the engine stopped running.

 

[da_jokker]

I'm not an engine/intake expert by any means, but if I were on a jury and saw that picture I would assign you 99% of the blame. Just saying.

Please don't get on a jury.

 

[Rspayde]

Please don't get on a jury.

Jury duty in GA is a joke and with so many people moving here the odds of being selected shrinks daily.

 

[PWillette]

So all this talk about leaking intercooler seems far fetched to me because there was water found in the oil long before the engine stopped running.

Agreed maybe farfetched but has to be eliminated. Based on OPs description of how the truck was in the water nose down the intercooler and charge pipe connections would have been fully submerged.

 

[broncabilly]

Yeah no way you sucked in water via the filter. There are plenty of pictures of what happens to these paper air filters when they get wet. They basically collapse and almost look like they start to disintegrate.

If the Ford dealer is claiming water went through that air filter they're full of it and have no idea. (But your air filter is not seated fully in that picture fyi)

Sounds to me like water got on some other way. Problem is it doesn't sound like a hydrolock situation. Water got into the oil, which toasted the bearings/internals, which seized the motor.

So all this talk about leaking intercooler seems far fetched to me because there was water found in the oil long before the engine stopped running.

I know. It's crazy that they came to that conclusion.
It ran fine, I found the water, drained the oil, put in new oil, started it again, it continued to run. Towed it to the indy, who flushed the crankcase and drove it 15 miles to the dealer. They had the truck, fixed the alternator, drove it (I assume) back out of the service area. It got picked up by my independent mechanic and driven 15 miles and then seized, a month after this all happened. So yeah, I don't know how it could have taken in dirty water into the intake. Just not possible.

Whether or not it came in the intercooler, it came in SOMEWHERE, and I assume a smoke test would pinpoint it.

 

[da_jokker]

I know. It's crazy that they came to that conclusion.
It ran fine, I found the water, drained the oil, put in new oil, started it again, it continued to run. Towed it to the indy, who flushed the crankcase and drove it 15 miles to the dealer. They had the truck, fixed the alternator, drove it (I assume) back out of the service area. It got picked up by my independent mechanic and driven 15 miles and then seized, a month after this all happened. So yeah, I don't know how it could have taken in dirty water into the intake. Just not possible.

Whether or not it came in the intercooler, it came in SOMEWHERE, and I assume a smoke test would pinpoint it.

When you say they "flushed it" I wonder what they used? They're all kinds of "ideas" on the internet like adding transmission fluid, Marvel's mystery oil, etc.

Any chance their flush is what toasted the bearings?

 

[brkdncr]

That filter didn’t see any water. It looks clean.

 

[broncabilly]

Nah, I wouldn't think so. A flush is when you add a detergent/solvent, run the engine for a bit, drain it all out and add new oil. It would also include a water absorbant like an alcohol. And they generally include EP additives to prevent wear during this. But I suppose it wouldn't guarantee getting sand or mud entirely out if it was in there.

 

[broncabilly]

That filter didn’t see any water. It looks clean.

But yet the dealer report says there was mud and water in the air filter. Can't really blame Ford for denying the warranty when it's reported like that. Completely unacceptable.

 

[broncabilly]

Is there anyone at Ford that reads these, and can possibly get me a lead on who to plead my case with?

 

[swooshdave]

Those intercooler charge tubes are not water tight.

They had the truck, fixed the alternator, drove it (I assume) back out of the service area. It got picked up by my independent mechanic and driven 15 miles and then seized, a month after this all happened.

Did the dealer touch the oil? Did they know about the issue then?

Did the dealer drain the oil when they had it and forgot to put new oil in? Now they are blaming the water to cover their butts?

 

[broncabilly]

Those intercooler charge tubes are not water tight.


Did the dealer touch the oil? Did they know about the issue then?

Did the dealer drain the oil when they had it and forgot to put new oil in? Now they are blaming the water to cover their butts?

There's no way to know. I would say that it must have driven well enough for them to let it go as fixed. I'd assume they didn't check the engine since it ran fine and there was no reason to expect it wouldn't. literally everything points to the water not getting into the air intake.

The theory that it went in the intake, passed through the entire engine to the crankcase, all while running fine just doesn't 'hold water' harhar.

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