Fake engine sound disable

[RagnarKon]

That’s a pretty steaming hot take Rag. The only way it’s noticed is if gain structures are wrong? Burbling fake engine noises played under your music don’t alter the audio quality? Right.

fact is adding amps raises volume in the front stage unless you pick a low power amp or configure it wrong (like all the harness makers for the Key 200 do BTW). Better kick panel speakers with sound treatment further increase the frequencies where that rumble sits. It’s not a gain problem on amps.

the only thing I might agree on there is that a lot of people don’t notice the sound when everything is still stock. And everyone SHOULD feel duped by fake exhaust sounds piped into what you described as an already noisy interior. It’s literally fake sound made to fool the driver.

Oh yeah, it's a hot take of mine, do not disagree.

I guess my overall point is this: If you don't notice it—and frankly most people don't—then it was done well and it's working as intended. Even most people with aftermarket audio setups don't notice. Often the only time you do is when you set the gains too high, or your overall audio system is unbalanced. Neither of which is "wrong" to be honest, audio is a very personal opinion/subjective thing. Some people just prefer... say... more bass that what your average audio guy might consider to be balanced.

But I've got into some heated discussions with people about it in the past. One of my good buddies, for example, is one of the audiophile types and he had fake engine noise on his Toyota. Of course, he didn't notice until he installed aftermarket amps, and now that he's noticed it, he's pissed it exists.

His argument was that the fake engine noise is effectively false-advertising, and manufactures shouldn't be "tricking" their customers. I don't really view it that way to be honest, and don't think any of the manufactures are advertising "authentic engine noise". If the fake noise improves user experience, then I don't see an issue. BUT, yes, I acknowledge that many will disagree with that. Obviously, a matter of personal opinion.

That said, the obvious simple solution to make everyone happy is just to make it a configurable setting without the need for external software. (I'm not aware of anyone that does that though.)

Ah man, what if one doesn’t have a foreskin, then how do I turn it off?

You don't. But if you have a 2023 Black Diamond like your profile says, then it's not turned on anyway.

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[bastardsonofelvis]

You don't. But if you have a 2023 Black Diamond like your profile says, then it's not turned on anyway.

That's a relief. I can't imagine what the 4 banger would sound like unenhanced if it were currently enhanced.

 

[Medicin3man]

Did I read somewhere that Raptors do NOT have the fake engine noises...or that they do?

 

[RagnarKon]

Did I read somewhere that Raptors do NOT have the fake engine noises...or that they do?

2022 Raptors with the Lux package have it. Haven't check any other model year.

I admittedly haven't spent any time in a Raptor to really play around with it. But I wouldn't be surprised if it behaves differently on the Raptor given it has those additional drive modes.

 

[Y2KFirehawk]

Knowing what mine sounds like with the effect enabled it's interesting to listen to these two to compare
Without:
With:

 

[Mikem73]

It has nothing to do with gain structures at all the problem is that with the boosted signal from the amp it’s sounds like you’ve got a gain problem or ground loop and that is not the case whatsoever it just makes the cruddy sound Ford has added way overpowered! You can turn your gain down to almost zero and it’s still there is what I am saying lol.

 

[AZCoyote]

That's a relief. I can't imagine what the 4 banger would sound like unenhanced if it were currently enhanced.

Turned my faux v8 off last night. It sounds like a turboed 4 banger. A bit wheezy and higher pitched. But let’s be real. It sounded like that before to the world. I can finally just hear it normally in the cabin.

 

[SHANUT]

That fake engine sound inside was one of the most annoying features of my Bronco. I was able to eliminate it with FORScan in the "As Built" ACM module under 727-01-01. The fix is xxxx-xxxx-0xxx. 1 is ESE on and 0 is ESE off. I can still barely hear the actual exhaust and that is what I want.

You want to hear a non-V8 exhaust?

 

[AZCoyote]

Oh yeah, it's a hot take of mine, do not disagree.

I guess my overall point is this: If you don't notice it—and frankly most people don't—then it was done well and it's working as intended. Even most people with aftermarket audio setups don't notice. Often the only time you do is when you set the gains too high, or your overall audio system is unbalanced. Neither of which is "wrong" to be honest, audio is a very personal opinion/subjective thing. Some people just prefer... say... more bass that what your average audio guy might consider to be balanced.

But I've got into some heated discussions with people about it in the past. One of my good buddies, for example, is one of the audiophile types and he had fake engine noise on his Toyota. Of course, he didn't notice until he installed aftermarket amps, and now that he's noticed it, he's pissed it exists.

His argument was that the fake engine noise is effectively false-advertising, and manufactures shouldn't be "tricking" their customers. I don't really view it that way to be honest, and don't think any of the manufactures are advertising "authentic engine noise". If the fake noise improves user experience, then I don't see an issue. BUT, yes, I acknowledge that many will disagree with that. Obviously, a matter of personal opinion.

That said, the obvious simple solution to make everyone happy is just to make it a configurable setting without the need for external software. (I'm not aware of anyone that does that though.)


You don't. But if you have a 2023 Black Diamond like your profile says, then it's not turned on anyway.

I agree with your buddy. Putting fake grill marks on a slab of Beyond Meat or Impossible Burger doesn’t make it meat. It is intended to mislead even if the eater/owner is in on the deception.

And it does interfere with musical enjoyment. Just give me the best sound we can get. It’s already got big limits without injecting unwanted signals.

 

[RagnarKon]

I agree with your buddy. Putting fake grill marks on a slab of Beyond Meat or Impossible Burger doesn’t make it meat. It is intended to mislead even if the eater/owner is in on the deception.

And it does interfere with musical enjoyment. Just give me the best sound we can get. It’s already got big limits without injecting unwanted signals.

Eh... ya' know... you might have just changed my mind with that Impossible burger analogy. Don't completely agree with the argument, but frankly you made a better argument than my buddy did.

I guess if it's fake and everyone involved knows its fake... then whatever. It's like diet soda, or the plant-based burger example you gave. If everyone knows, then I don't have an issue with it. No one is advertising that it's real, and some people just prefer the fakeness that is diet soda. Totally fine with me.

But if everyone involved doesn't know it's fake, then... meh... gets slippery. I guess it feels different to me because fake soda/burgers are something that you actually consume and put in your body. But I guess if I had to be honest, it's really no different than something innocuous like a car audio system.

Solution is the same though: just stick a setting in the infotainment screen somewhere to easily turn it on/off.

 

[Eldowerks]

Understand that Ford’s engineers are compelled to muffle their engines’ sound volume to a low common denominator to keep most people happy.

I modified the exhaust systems on my last three F-150’s (5.4 Triton V-8s and 3.5 EcoBoost V-6) and my wife’s ‘94 Durango V-8, primarily to make the acceleration experience sound more throaty and worthy of the inherent power of those engines.

When I test drove my new Badlands the salesman denied that the engine sound was enhanced by the B&O sound system, and I was a tad “red pilled” later when confirming the suspected sound system truth.

BUT, the fact that Ford did a pretty good job of “unmuffling” the acceleration sound of my ‘24 BL LUX 2.7 turbo via the B&O sound system without me having to modify the exhaust system right away is OK by me.

 

[AZCoyote]

Understand that Ford’s engineers are compelled to muffle their engines’ sound volume to a low common denominator to keep most people happy.

I modified the exhaust systems on my last three F-150’s (5.4 Triton V-8s and 3.5 EcoBoost V-6) and my wife’s ‘94 Durango V-8, primarily to make the acceleration experience sound more throaty and worthy of the inherent power of those engines.

When I test drove my new Badlands the salesman denied that the engine sound was enhanced by the B&O sound system, and I was a tad “red pilled” later when confirming the suspected sound system truth.

BUT, the fact that Ford did a pretty good job of “unmuffling” the acceleration sound of my ‘24 BL LUX 2.7 turbo via the B&O sound system without me having to modify the exhaust system right away is OK by me.

alas. The emporer still has no clothes even if you think you are dressed to the 9s. No one else hears that. And nothing’s unmuffled. You’re just listening to a WAV file attached to accelerator inputs.

 

[Eldowerks]

alas. The emporer still has no clothes even if you think you are dressed to the 9s. No one else hears that. And nothing’s unmuffled. You’re just listening to a WAV file attached to accelerator inputs.

Agreed, but the same argument could be made regarding re-creating the Philharmonic Orchestra or the Rolling Stones in the cabin of your Bronco with even the best of sound systems.

Both the engine note and the Stones in the cabin are digital aural simulations.
I hear and enjoy both.

 

[Deleted member 64921]

There is a Vince Vaughn movie about this exact topic, and it's actually a great movie
The Dilemma - Trailer

 

[mallaki]

Can anyone confirm whether the 2025 Bronco Raptor has fake or enhanced engine sound enabled?

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