correct way to remove intercooler shutters

[swamp2]

Ford always puts too small of ICs in and they suffer from heat soak.

I've heard this claimed many, many times but have never seen a shred of evidence, even anecdotal, to support it.

Similarly in quantity, I've also heard the claim from aftermarket IC providers that the mod provides additional power, again, never with a shred of evidence. Heck, I'd certainly take evidence that such a mod can maintain max stated performance under harsh conditions which without the mod would cause some period of reduction in performance.

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[Bronkers]

They help to reduce condensation especially if you live in a climate that has any kind of weather changes. Additionally, Ford makes it clear there are certain areas that shouldn't be blocked for air flow and when people put an intercooler in front of a radiator that is going to increase engine operating temp and make the intercooler at least slightly less effective because it can't shed heat as fast as it could in front of a radiator as it could with open space behind it. I understand that going big on your intercooler might have at least a slight performance aspect to it, but for me I have enough performance as is for wheeling and the street. It would be nice to have a free or flowing turbo system with lower temps for longevity, but there's really nowhere else to move an intercooler that wouldn't have some kind of detrimental effect on something else. At least one of the companies that manufactures an aftermarket intercooler freely admits that yes it's going to impact engine operating temps but that the trade-off is supposed to be worth it. With an extended warranty, I don't want to risk being denied if my engine ever lets go if the service folks find that crucial plumbing has been altered. YMMV.

My mileage has varied indeed.

I haven't read that the shutters have much ado about condensation, but fwiw the dry Mojave desert is my home; next to no humidity 10mos out of the year.

I've driven thru this home at 105°F+ with this upgrade, for hours on end, at 80mph+ with the same 4 bars on coolant meter as I've ever had (40k mi so far between 2 different 6g; 2.3l and 2.7l)

I have read the shutters are for bringing the engine to ideal operating temp quicker, possibly for the sake of emissions(?)

As for blocking the radiator physically, the open slot below the grill where everyone's doing lights I think is probably as much a concern

But I've also been told (and the never more than 4 bars coolant meter might attest) that the 6g has some very strong, very capable variable speed fans

Above notes altogether bring me to speculate on any statements of "going to impact engine operating temps" (who is saying this?) and "...when people put an intercooler in front of a radiator that is going to increase engine operating temp" I'm more confident that it's increased the workload on the cooling system (see fans note), that may otherwise very well be engineered with plenty of headroom.

See also: Johnson Valley 6g proving and older notoriously under-cooled Jeeps of yore.

THIS was going to be my response as well.

High Mount Mishimoto here as well. ZERO issues. ZERO change in coolant temp. NO CELs. Just a dummy plug in the shutter wiring connector. No zip tying the motor out of the way. No Forscan.

Sorry if I seem bias but I also own a Procharged Fox Body and have had some experience with mounting an intercooler in front of the rad and had my doubts at first about what might happen, it is tight up front in the Bronc. But as I said I have had ZERO issues with coolant temp. Runs the same 4 bars as it did the first day I drove it home. Thought I might need a larger, more efficient rad, but I have not seen the need yet.

I did FP tune before IC, IC had a noticeable effect after that. Definitely eyeing downpipes and ingen intake. 37 wheel/tire same weight as SAS going on soon and I don't want the fun to end.

I considered it but, I'm in the Northeast and installed a Mishimoto intercooler without issue and no mods to the shutters. It was a plug n play replacement of the factory cooler.

Guess it depends on your location....

It would seem it doesn't

Were you able to check turbo temps before and after? And what kind of performance gains did you notice?

I'd really like to run sport mode on a 4wh dyno but I haven't yet been willing to pony the $150/pull. Maybe after intake and/or pipes

 

[Bronkers]

That looks wicked cool!

Ala tricky dick, err @Tricky Mike 's allusions...to be continued...

 

[Bellime]

I removed the complete shutter assembly after installing a Whipple IC, but kept the motor connected and relocated out of the way.

 

[Bronkers]

So what's wrong with the OEM intercooler and shutters? That a lot of people wants to replace

If you don't have good skids (once upon a time/from the factory) and occasionally offroad like a careless idiot (), this, THIS is what's wrong:

You don't put fragile ish in harm's way.

Or you're Ford, and you DO!

 

[MEAT_GOD]

Unrelated, but what does removing the shutters from the IC have to do with an aftermarket bumper? I'm going to get a custom-fabricated copy of the JCR Crusader bumper, and was wondering if I needed to touch the intercooler in any way?

 

[broncorik]

Unrelated, but what does removing the shutters from the IC have to do with an aftermarket bumper? I'm going to get a custom-fabricated copy of the JCR Crusader bumper, and was wondering if I needed to touch the intercooler in any way?

Unlike at least some folks who are trying to get GT3 performance out of their Broncos, I'm okay with the bone stock level of performance the 2.7 has thus far (especially for wheeling). I wouldn't mind slapping things on that would improve the longevity, or things that would provide a reasonable boost in mileage while maintaining the performance I already have, but my big concern is (especially after having worked for a dealership) that Ford would love to deny a warranty claim for just about anything they can. If any of us lose an engine and get a claim denied, even for something unrelated to the modifications (like, say, a valve) that would be a huge cost. Many of the bumpers do in fact block the very areas that Ford is very clear about not blocking, and yes there are fog light kits that do the same thing or license plate relocations that also do that so I'm just trying to avoid anything that could potentially screw me down the road. To determine if your potential bumper or add-on is going to block any of the areas for his indicated shouldn't be blocked, refer to this:

Clearly the hot zone is the intercooler...and I have no idea what Ford would say if there is a failure down the road even unrelated to relocating it, but doesn't seem like a stretch that someone could say "hey you put something that generates heat in front of something that is supposed to have cool air flowing through it so we're going to deny you." Hopefully that isn't the case for anybody who goes with the aftermarket intercooler but as we've already read in the forum there have already been loads of claim denials for much less. I also don't want to be the person who doesn't do anything to the Bronco because I'm so fearful of warranty denials, but unless somebody has exact temperatures from the engine (not just going by the number of bars because that range can vary widely), and pre and post intercooler installation turbo and charge temps, and unbiased/objective dyno numbers pre and post aftermarket intercooler, I for one will just live vicariously through the pioneers.

 

[Tricky Mike]

I've heard this claimed many, many times but have never seen a shred of evidence, even anecdotal, to support it.

You can prove it yourself. Go do 10 0-60 pulls back to back and it will get progressively slower each time.

 

[WildtrakBronco]

Ala tricky dick, err @Tricky Mike 's allusions...to be continued...

I want a nice, stealthy winch setup like this!

 

[BAUS67]

Unlike at least some folks who are trying to get GT3 performance out of their Broncos, I'm okay with the bone stock level of performance the 2.7 has thus far (especially for wheeling). I wouldn't mind slapping things on that would improve the longevity, or things that would provide a reasonable boost in mileage while maintaining the performance I already have, but my big concern is (especially after having worked for a dealership) that Ford would love to deny a warranty claim for just about anything they can. If any of us lose an engine and get a claim denied, even for something unrelated to the modifications (like, say, a valve) that would be a huge cost. Many of the bumpers do in fact block the very areas that Ford is very clear about not blocking, and yes there are fog light kits that do the same thing or license plate relocations that also do that so I'm just trying to avoid anything that could potentially screw me down the road. To determine if your potential bumper or add-on is going to block any of the areas for his indicated shouldn't be blocked, refer to this:

Clearly the hot zone is the intercooler...and I have no idea what Ford would say if there is a failure down the road even unrelated to relocating it, but doesn't seem like a stretch that someone could say "hey you put something that generates heat in front of something that is supposed to have cool air flowing through it so we're going to deny you." Hopefully that isn't the case for anybody who goes with the aftermarket intercooler but as we've already read in the forum there have already been loads of claim denials for much less. I also don't want to be the person who doesn't do anything to the Bronco because I'm so fearful of warranty denials, but unless somebody has exact temperatures from the engine (not just going by the number of bars because that range can vary widely), and pre and post intercooler installation turbo and charge temps, and unbiased/objective dyno numbers pre and post aftermarket intercooler, I for one will just live vicariously through the pioneers.

I'm sure you have seen this about the heat soak from the stock intercooler. Just thought I would post incase you did not. I have see other places where they talk about the intercooler being to small for the application, mainly in the 2.7. They go on to state about how this contributes to the heat soak issue. IIRC the 2.3 intercooler in the Mustang suffers from the same issue.


https://www.bronco6g.com/forum/thre...nce-intercooler-r-d-thread.27441/post-1735928


The 2.3 thread also has lots of good info in there but is many pages long, harder to find the info, but I know I have read about in this forum.

 

[broncorik]

I'm sure you have seen this about the heat soak from the stock intercooler. Just thought I would post incase you did not. I have see other places where they talk about the intercooler being to small for the application, mainly in the 2.7. They go on to state about how this contributes to the heat soak issue. IIRC the 2.3 intercooler in the Mustang suffers from the same issue.


https://www.bronco6g.com/forum/thre...nce-intercooler-r-d-thread.27441/post-1735928


The 2.3 thread also has lots of good info in there but is many pages long, harder to find the info, but I know I have read about in this forum.

Do you know if anybody makes a more efficient intercooler that fits in the same location?

 

[WildtrakBronco]

Do you know if anybody makes a more efficient intercooler that fits in the same location?

Mishimoto...COBB...Whipple...cp-e...

 

[Bellime]

I have been pondering how to paint teeth on my IC without blocking the fins

 

[vrtical]

I've heard this claimed many, many times but have never seen a shred of evidence, even anecdotal, to support it.

Similarly in quantity, I've also heard the claim from aftermarket IC providers that the mod provides additional power, again, never with a shred of evidence. Heck, I'd certainly take evidence that such a mod can maintain max stated performance under harsh conditions which without the mod would cause some period of reduction in performance.

its easy to see you just need to track / log IAT which directly impacts performance levels. I did a ton of this back in 2013 when Ford first starting putting these stupid shudders on along with inefficient cooler sizes. The before / after effects are fairly big depending on outside air temp.

 

[Tricky Mike]

I want a nice, stealthy winch setup like this!

It can't be bought, but it's glorious when pulled off.

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