ADV Production Modular Hardtop!

[MannyG20]

There is a saying ‘ in for a penny, in for a pound’. I think all those who still have an order should drive to California and show up in mass at ADV and proceed to follow John around town just to annoy him. It’s the only satisfaction y’all are going to get.

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[GreenMtnBronco]

Every single person who bought a hard top can and should demand their money back. ADV by law has to provide the top or the money. If they don't have the top or the money, they will go out of business. Unless all the customers just take it on the chin and do nothing about it. Which is what it seems like people are doing. Every one of you should be filling.

Just because ADV told people otherwise, doesn't make it so. Make no mistake, this is against the law, but if no one complains, they get away with it.

If it was my money, I'd file in court individually, none of that class action crap. No way would I let them steal my money and not fight back.

The ONLY way to do this is in small claims court. Looks like the limit in CA is actually pretty high, $12,500. I would find the lawyer in this group and write up a form that everyone can use and just fill in your personal information, date of deposit, include all public statements and personal emails you received on this, and march into the Costa Mesa CA small claims court.
if you live elsewhere in CA, file locally, if you are out of state, file in your own court, if the limits will cover your cost of purchase. I know my small claims limit is $6k (but I am not a victim as I got a refund in March)

get help on your small claims process here - https://selfhelp.courts.ca.gov/small-claims-california#

 

[GroovyGeek]

There is an interesting possible twist here if there is major litigation - would the court attempt to claw back refunds from those who received them in order to equitably distribute whatever recovery is available? Seems to happen pretty regularly in Ponzi schemes, where the asset administrator claws back distributions even if they were perfectly legal and done without any knowledge of the wrongdoing? This case is small potatoes in the grand scheme of things so it may not come to that.

Disclaimer - I am not a lawyer but stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night. And when I do drink beer, I only drink Dos Equis

 

[GotWake]

i bet they start bankruptcy soon. They are about to get hit with a few million in chargebacks.

 

[j_marinelli]

Certainly a long shot but anyone know anyone that has purchased fenders or hoods and taken delivery (or at least a tracking number) on said items?

 

[604Bronco]

Certainly a long shot but anyone know anyone that has purchased fenders or hoods and taken delivery (or at least a tracking number) on said items?

In-general, or since this dumpster fire ignited?

I'd be curious about the latter.

 

[vrtical]

Besides the shit show the pro runner is bad azz build got to check it out today.

 

[F-Spot]

I'm sure this link has been posted already, but its a good cliffnotes for the litigation. There are too many posts since august 9 for me to look through to see if it has been posted already...my apologies if it has.

https://broncosnapshots.com/news/ad...tomotive-performance-group-for-alleged-fraud/

 

[KillerPenz]

I'm sure this link has been posted already, but its a good cliffnotes for the litigation. There are too many posts since august 9 for me to look through to see if it has been posted already...my apologies if it has.

https://broncosnapshots.com/news/ad...tomotive-performance-group-for-alleged-fraud/

Interesting cliff notes. Paints APG is a much more negative light than previously discussed around here.. Well at least Lite Brite (don't want to @ the poor guy since we are really stupid or whatever he called us) has been backing APG.

Anyways, it's all speculation on our parts. People are out $6k+ and it sucks.

At least you guys are keeping the memes going. With that said, you can all get back to our normal programming. F APG, LITE BRITE & ADV.

 

[KillerPenz]

Besides the shit show the pro runner is bad azz build got to check it out today.

What would've been bad azz was if you wouldn't questioned APG about the top fiasco... Or simply said, that's a kick ass top, is that the one you screwed ADV over on?

 

[Tooold]

@LiteBrite
Make sure you look everybody in the eyes this weekend!

 

[Sunday Money]

What would've been bad azz was if you wouldn't questioned APG about the top fiasco... Or simply said, that's a kick ass top, is that the one you screwed ADV over on?

100%

Besides the shit show the pro runner is bad azz build got to check it out today.

 

[j_marinelli]

@LiteBrite
Make sure you look everybody in the eyes this weekend!

I read your comment and instantly thought of this

 

[Beach_Bum]

I read your comment and instantly thought of this

What a gift that your mind thinks in memes.

 

[FtWorthBronco]

Interesting cliff notes. Paints APG is a much more negative light than previously discussed around here.. Well at least Lite Brite (don't want to @ the poor guy since we are really stupid or whatever he called us) has been backing APG.

Anyways, it's all speculation on our parts. People are out $6k+ and it sucks.

At least you guys are keeping the memes going. With that said, you can all get back to our normal programming. F APG, LITE BRITE & ADV.

I guess - my view is it paints ADV's stance - which is going to be they gave APG $4.4 million to fund their share of the development of the top and APG failed to manufacture a final product that could be sold. ADV is going to claim AGP failed and had inflated costs ($1k originally estimated vs $3k actual per ADV) because they wasted the money on "other" things besides R&D/Manufacturing and that they didn't have the experience in manufacturing overseas they claimed to start.

That may all be 100% true - and why ADV would have a good case against APG.

It in no way changes the fact that ADV used customer pre-payments to support their portion of R&D and engineering costs on a product that had never been produced before and didn't tell anyone that is how they were funding their investment...

How many people still pre-pay in full if ADV tells people they are crowdsourcing the millions of dollars needed to figure out how to build the top because they can't fund it outside of pre-sales?

How many more people would have asked for a refund if they had been honest about even 20% of reality about how the process was going?

Corporate fraud by will be easier to get a judgement on since it is only 2 parties involved and will have receipts.

But if any of the pre-pay customers bother to pursue it - ADV is not only guilty of fraud on several levels, it would likely be federal given their customer base and the penalty a lot more severe.

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