It would be interesting if Jalopnik was aware and started poking around...
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Backlash from who? or at least who that they would care about.Should ship the hard tops they owe adv who owes customers. Imagine the backlash if they sell the tops to new customers without fulfilling the preorders
if you have not figured it out yet, they don't view the people that paid ADV for a hardtop as APG customers, they view ADV as a development partner that partially funded a purely R&D development project for the hardtop and scammed a bunch of people into paying upfront for a still in development product to basically crowdsource the ADV portion of the development investment - and I would guess they continue to push that POV given the lawsuit.
APG is really pushing the "we were still in the design/development" phase with no guarantee of a production-level product coming out of that process - but it was all on ADV to decide to sell hundreds of pre-orders and use a portion of the money to fund their share of the investment.
The fact that they directed people to actually order a top through ADV is probably the main issue with this approach to deflection.
I don't see how ADV or APG survive this honestly - but APG stands a lot better chance that ADV to continue. if I were APG, I would make some level of change to the top for the ProRunner project that they can say "fixes" the design flaw in the ADV top - like remove the spray foam entirely for something else or use some other method to apply it - and say while it was not possible to manufacture the old design up to ADV's standards, the "new" version 2 design APG is building out for the ProRunner is great....and then move on.
I would imagine they would be better off doing this under some new LLC, not APG - but they may think the value of the APG brand is strong enough to overcome any noise.
This.
It takes a hot second to create a new LLC, this would be their best move. They could sell the top under any name they want , supply to anyone they want, white label back to APG for their ProRunner, and in a few years new people in the market will never know what happened.
Even if APG were to be taken down with ADV, I'm sure the design are not owned by the company. If those contracts are as good as everyone says, the owner should be savy enough to put the patent in his own name, and license it back to APG.
You have a lot to learn my friend. Someone owes you money and doesn't pay. Your options are to file a claim with small claims court or hire a lawyer and sue. The first option is inexpensive, but what if you get a judgement and they refuse or not able to pay? This is usually the case. Been there done that! Now you need a lawyer, and if there is no money to be had you still aren't getting your money. Bottom line, while $7K is a lot for us peons it is chicken $hit when it comes to lawyers. You could end up spending a lot of money on court cases and not get a penny. The only real option is to find a lawyer willing to take on the case as a class action. And even if this happens and they win a judgment you are only going to get back pennies on the dollar, the lawyers will get thier take which needs to be in the millions before they will even take on the case. If the money is "gone", nobody is getting anything.
Yea, I know all that.
I never said people were going to get their money back, and I never said to hire a lawyer, that would be throwing good money after bad.
What I said was to file, make them accountable legally, even if they can't pay.
My point is, if no one does anything, technically they could go on to be a successful business making millions with no reprocussions, because the law wouldn't know what they did.
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I think we're all getting away from the real mystery here. How did Advanced Fiberglass Concepts get away with using ADV as their acronym? 
It should be AFC. 
It should be AFC. 
...more like AFUI think we're all getting away from the real mystery here. How did Advanced Fiberglass Concepts get away with using ADV as their acronym?
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AFC hmmmmI think we're all getting away from the real mystery here. How did Advanced Fiberglass Concepts get away with using ADV as their acronym?
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calling you matlock now lol
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I hope you recorded the interaction, and please post it on here. That will be gold!!!
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I think we're all getting away from the real mystery here. How did Advanced Fiberglass Concepts get away with using ADV as their acronym?
A F#$@king Circus?????
There is a saying ‘ in for a penny, in for a pound’. I think all those who still have an order should drive to California and show up in mass at ADV and proceed to follow John around town just to annoy him. It’s the only satisfaction y’all are going to get.
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The ONLY way to do this is in small claims court. Looks like the limit in CA is actually pretty high, $12,500. I would find the lawyer in this group and write up a form that everyone can use and just fill in your personal information, date of deposit, include all public statements and personal emails you received on this, and march into the Costa Mesa CA small claims court.
if you live elsewhere in CA, file locally, if you are out of state, file in your own court, if the limits will cover your cost of purchase. I know my small claims limit is $6k (but I am not a victim as I got a refund in March)
get help on your small claims process here - https://selfhelp.courts.ca.gov/small-claims-california#
There is an interesting possible twist here if there is major litigation - would the court attempt to claw back refunds from those who received them in order to equitably distribute whatever recovery is available? Seems to happen pretty regularly in Ponzi schemes, where the asset administrator claws back distributions even if they were perfectly legal and done without any knowledge of the wrongdoing? This case is small potatoes in the grand scheme of things so it may not come to that.
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