Using non-detergent gasoline and future regrets.

[crenca]

It says right on the bottle, from Warren Distribution.

After some quick Googling of Warren, I suspect they are a mere distributor. In other words even their own "Warren" brand is a re-distribution of one of the big refiners/producers. Some of the links suggested the source from Mobile, so it looks like "Kirkland" (and all other Warren products) are some version of Mobile 1 oil...

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[CalvinT]

I get it.

My point is, they're not a tire store. Tire stores do MUCH more than vend and install tires.

For example, have you changed your wheel and tire size from what came from the factory? Don't take it to Costco. They won't do it.

They also are quick to deny repairs, and will use all sorts of excuses.

You will wait forever, despite having an appointment.

Those "free" rotations? Sure--just wait a few hours, we'll get to it. In the meantime, please feel free to browse our store.

I've had nothing but incredible service from Discount Tire, for example. And they will happily match whatever you find at Costco.

And "buy three, get one free" is everywhere--even the new car dealers have been doing it for several years.

Very true. Also Costco will not repair a tire where you've used "stop leak." And that's what most cars have now days instead of a spare tire. And they will only sell you the same size and speed rating your tire came with from the factory.

I like Discount tire. But I found them to be incredibly slow for their free flat repair. Take a book, you'll need it. At least Costco has a place to shop or grab a hot dog while you wait. That's not true of the Discount Tire stores in my area unless you want to walk a few blocks.

 

[adam1991]

I like Discount tire. But I found them to be incredibly slow for their free flat repair. Take a book, you'll need it. At least Costco has a place to shop or grab a hot dog while you wait. That's not true of the Discount Tire stores in my area unless you want to walk a few blocks.

The Discount Tire I drive by all the time is right next door to my Sam's. The hot dog and pizza and drinks are cheaper than Costco, and there's a wider variety of pizza.

But that's just me.

 

[adam1991]

After some quick Googling of Warren, I suspect they are a mere distributor. In other words even their own "Warren" brand is a re-distribution of one of the big refiners/producers. Some of the links suggested the source from Mobile, so it looks like "Kirkland" (and all other Warren products) are some version of Mobile 1 oil...

Wouldn't surprise me a bit.

But given how hard impossible it is to find an MSDS for Kirkland oil, and how hard it is to find an application sheet that spells out what Ford specs it meets, it might be better in the long run to spend the money on Mobil 1 or Amsoil or whatever.

I mean, if Ford says "use oil that says it meets or exceeds this spec" and spells out a WSS number, why wouldn't I do that? And if I can't find an application sheet with that info, why would I bother with that product?

yeah, yeah--$5.16/qt vs $2.92/qt. Price. But, I'm too poor to buy cheap. It's the cheapest man who spends the most. And if it comes down to knowing it meets Ford's spec (via documentation) vs guessing, I'll take knowing every time--especially with lubrication.

It's not unlike my 5K change intervals. Yes, Ford says we can go 10K. Or 7500. But, um, in the end it's cheaper to change a bit more often.

Pennzoil sponsored that video that showed two engines torn down after 500K simulated miles on the engine stand--one with synthetic, one with dino juice. And clearly synthetic showed better results. I'd like to see them do the same test with the same synthetic oil across both engines, but different change intervals. Say, 10K vs 5K.

 

[crenca]

I personally stay away from the majority of Mobile 1 formulations as their additive packages are on the thin side (base oil is good it seems) excepting their "Truck & SUV" formulation which I would use if I had no other better options.

Don't know fer sure, but I suspect most Mobile 1 formulations probably at least meet API's SP spec so Kirkland oil is probably "ok" for most Bronco drivers, particularly if they are not pushing it past much past 5k miles between changes....of YMMV always applies.

 

[LSW]

Wouldn't surprise me a bit.

I mean, if Ford says "use oil that says it meets or exceeds this spec" and spells out a WSS number, why wouldn't I do that? And if I can't find an application sheet with that info, why would I bother with that product?

Because the ford oil specs for the Bronco are identical to API SP and ILSAC GF-6a spec. We had a member here @CarbonSteel that purchased the contents of the ford oil spec including the required tests and learned that it had nothing special in it than any generic API SP oil wouldn’t have. Why doesn’t every API SP oil bear the WSS spec then? Marketing/cost reasons usually.

This is a big rabbit hole you can go down. Base oils and additive packages are only actually made by a half dozen or so companies yet there are hundreds, if not thousands of different brand labels thrown on oils which, aside from variations in viscosity, mostly perform the same and contain the same ingredients. No different than a street full of restaurants with different names, menu prices, and decor that all get their ingredients from Sysco.

I use HPL PP PCMO 0W-30 which doesn’t bear any spec. It’s therefore unconstrained by fuel efficiency and eco/green requirements that are baked into the API and, as a consequence the Ford spec. Any warranty denial would have to prove that the oil caused the failure, which wouldn’t happen. Some choose to use oil that meets Porsche/VW or MB specs because those specs prioritize performance and protection over fuel economy and other enviro-centric goals.

 

[adam1991]

Because the ford oil specs for the Bronco are identical to API SP and ILSAC GF-6a spec.

I hear you, but there's some dispute on that. See the Maverick thread.

This is a big rabbit hole you can go down.

Truer words have never been spoken.

 

[CarbonSteel]

I hear you, but there's some dispute on that. See the Maverick thread.

Buy the WSS spec and you'll see. There is nothing in the WSS spec that any API SP/ GF-6 oil cannot meet.

 

[11811]

WAY too many of them treat it like a cult. It's insane.

But where else is one to get gold bars these days?

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