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Hmmmm……..I’m just not seeing that. Battery post connects under tab on BMS and then comes the BMS housing and then the wiring comes out of other end of BMS…..I can’t see how there’s a difference between battery post or tab on BMS
I would understand if tab was on other end of BMS near wire exit
I may be misunderstanding your comment but the wires coming out of the end of the BMS are the signal wires to the computer. All the voltage/amperage in & out of the battery flows from top to bottom of the cable side. I tried to find a cutaway drawing of the sensor online but came up empty. Seeing the inside workings of the BMS sensor may make your understanding clearer.
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Yikes! "typical engineer".
You have not yet explained how the Bronco's BMS measures magnetic fields!

In the absence of any knowledgeable electricians, I will "do some basic research".
I will use my own multimeter and measure voltage in the various locations described in this thread.
However, I am fighting off a flu virus right now and it is only 20 degrees outside.
So, hopefully I can get back to you in a few days.
Your so typical your picture is next the entry "engineer" in the dictionary - your a living cliche :ROFLMAO:

Yes, please break out your tools and measure yourself. Let us know your results...but also know that if they are any different from what we are describing here then that means you did it wrong :ROFLMAO::p
 

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Think of it as water, a river (who said that? :ROFLMAO: ). At that point (i.e. when the clamp is connected directly to the battery post) the shunt is then "uphill" (instead of downhill when the clamp is on the other side of the shunt) of the path of least resistance (i.e. the post).

Water does not flow uphill does it? Of course not. Thus the BMS does not "see" any water flowing past it.
You're correct, nothing is going up hill.
The shunt in the BMS is sill "in the right place".
The "dead battery", its BMS, and the jumping car's battery are all in a parallel circuit with a common ground.
 

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The shunt in the BMS is sill "in the right place".
The "dead battery", its BMS, and the jumping car's battery are all in a parallel circuit with a common ground.
It does seem that way does it not! The ancient Hebrews would look at how the ocean would stop at the beach and not flow over their whole world, a miracle in their mind and called it God's "Doors of the Sea" (recorded in the Psalms).

Break out your multimeter and measure the voltage on either side of the shunt (say with the a charger connected directly to the battery posts) and tell us what you (and thus the BMS) sees.
 

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I've never had an issue the five or so times that I've jumped uszing my Cobra jumppack straight on the battery terminals.


I have my battery maintainer hooked straight to the terminals. Are you sure it causes issues? Haven';t had any issues charging it every night for 2 months, my voltage while driving drops from 14.9 to 13.2-ish fairly quick after a night of charging. If I'm driving long enough, I've even seen it drop to 12.8V consistently for a few hours until I turn the vehicle off and back on again (during road trips). What am I potentially damaging by not charging through the BMS? Will definitely reconfigure my charger's connections if it's worth doing. I'm using a 4amp waterproof Everstart battery maintainer.
Bypassing the BMS MIGHT lead to overcharging or improper charging of the battery. The BMS's job is to keep detailed track of the state of charge of the battery and to determine how much and how fast to charge the battery.

It can also cause your car to turn off optional features like ASS if it thinks the battery is not charged enough to run them. Pro tip: if you drive your vehicle normally (always driving enough to keep the battery topped off) and you notice you ASS stops working, it probably means your battery is nearing the end of its life. It's the one good thing I have to say about ASS, hah.
 

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Bypassing the BMS MIGHT lead to overcharging or improper charging of the battery. The BMS's job is to keep detailed track of the state of charge of the battery and to determine how much and how fast to charge the battery.

It can also cause your car to turn off optional features like ASS if it thinks the battery is not charged enough to run them. Pro tip: if you drive your vehicle normally (always driving enough to keep the battery topped off) and you notice you ASS stops working, it probably means your battery is nearing the end of its life. It's the one good thing I have to say about ASS, hah.
Agreed.
I was not questioning the purpose of the BMS.
My point is that is in a parallel 12 VDC circuit, the test meter location does not matter and voltage will be nominally the same everywhere on the Bronco.
Otherwise, there would be bigger electrical problems.

When I recover from this flu virus, I will get back to you all.
 

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Agreed.
I was not questioning the purpose of the BMS.
My point is that is in a parallel 12 VDC circuit, the test meter location does not matter and voltage will be nominally the same everywhere on the Bronco.
Otherwise, there would be bigger electrical problems.

When I recover from this flu virus, I will get back to you all.
Yes, but that is just step one. Can you guess what step two will be?

Hint: we're trying to square the relationship between volts, amps, and resistance.
 

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I may be misunderstanding your comment but the wires coming out of the end of the BMS are the signal wires to the computer. All the voltage/amperage in & out of the battery flows from top to bottom of the cable side. I tried to find a cutaway drawing of the sensor online but came up empty. Seeing the inside workings of the BMS sensor may make your understanding clearer.
Ya maybe you’re right(that if I see how the circuitry flows) it would clear up my misunderstanding. It just appears to me that the BMS mounts directly to negative battery post and the tab is just simply an extension of neg battery post. But from what all comments I’m reading is that tab is not a direct connection to battery post. Im going to try to find a BMS cutaway/diagram schematic to help me see what I’m missing. Thank you
 
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In theory, the "distance" of the does cause a very slight voltage drop, but that would have to be hundreds of feet away to cause even a small detectable drop.
That's simply not true, but whatever. Believe what you want. I'm sure the engineers at Ford and every other manufacture using BMS have it completely wrong.
 

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Ya maybe you’re right. It just appears to me that the BMS mounts directly to negative battery post and the tab is just simply an extension of neg battery post. But from what all comments I’m reading is that tab is not a direct connection to battery post. Im going to try to find a BMS cutaway/diagram schematic to help me see what I’m missing. Thank you
You can clearly see in my picture that it's not an extension of the battery post. I've posted this pic a few times now in this thread. Thought that was settling the debate lol. The BMS is clearly in between the battery terminal and the negative connection to the vehicle.
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I didn’t say that….BMS tab is on battery post side then to the sensor then outgoing wires. If tab was on wire side coming out of BMS then yes it would make sense. I’m not trying to argue with anybody on here I’m just not seeing BMS between tab and battery post. Post and tab are both on same side of BMS
Just want to circle back to this - you were agreeing that the tab is on the terminal side of the BMS, which is why I'm confused about what you're saying now. The photo I posted shows that the tab and negative lead are clearly on top of the BMS, meaning all electricity has to pass through the BMS sensor in order to make it through to the negative battery post. So I'm not sure why everyone's talking about magnetic fields now... We were clarifying here that indeed all of the electrical current going to the negative post of the battery has to pass through the BMS sensor, and as such, the negative lead of the Bronco is on top of the BMS and the battery post is on the bottom of the BMS.
 

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Just want to circle back to this - you were agreeing that the tab is on the terminal side of the BMS, which is why I'm confused about what you're saying now. The photo I posted shows that the tab and negative lead are clearly on top of the BMS, meaning all electricity has to pass through the BMS sensor in order to make it through to the negative battery post. So I'm not sure why everyone's talking about magnetic fields now... We were clarifying here that indeed all of the electrical current going to the negative post of the battery has to pass through the BMS sensor, and as such, the negative lead of the Bronco is on top of the BMS and the battery post is on the bottom of the BMS.
Ok…thanks for “circling back”👍🏼
 

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I'm not sure why everyone's talking about magnetic fields now... We were clarifying here that indeed all of the electrical current going to the negative post of the battery has to pass through the BMS sensor,
@Sparkie wants to know why when you connect a jumper/charger negative clamp to the battery post directly, the BMS does not "see" current...why does the current flow only from the two posts to {the inner chemistry of the battery} - and not at the same time "flow" past the BMS as well so that it can measure it? It's all connected by conductive metal is it not? It appears to be all one big interconnected circuit...
 

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In the Navy, we were always taught to hook up Ground first, then hot.

I don't think it really makes all that much difference for +12V systems, but ships at sea run on ungrounded/floating ground systems (just like cars do), so you want the "ground" connected first to help minimize any accidental arcing -- as opposed to your house, which has a separate Ground and Neutral (I know, DC vs AC there, but the same principle when applied to grounding)
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Believe what you want. I'm sure the engineers at Ford and every other manufacture using BMS have it completely wrong.
Those of us that aren't engineers don't overthink right or wrong and just have to believe "because that's how it's supposed to work". :ROFLMAO:

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