EPA deregulation to kill Auto Start Stop (ASS)?

[jtgensler]

I'm well aware of the aftermarket options. The question is whether the ECU is locked down for 24+ vehicles and as a result the Forscan route was no longer an option, or whether Forscan disabled the ability to avoid the wrath of the EPA.

Don't forget that it wasn't long ago that the EPA vigorously went after tuners who were disabling emission control components in vehicles. It is possible that Forscan deleted that capability to avoid being the target of the EPA.

The ASS is completely different than defeating DEF.
I don't think the EPA ever actually required an ASS feature, it was just a way to help manufacturers meet the CAFE standards that the EPA was requiring.
So they shouldn't care if you disable it or if Ford stops using it, as it was never actually a requirement.
That's why they've never pressured anyone who made/sold the dongles that kill it, while they were very much pressuring shops & people making deletes for DEF & EGRs.

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[GoHawks63]

I personally didnt think it was a big deal just to hit the off button evertime started up, at least is was a button and not buried three layers deep in infotainment screens.

FP mode memory sure is nice. How the tiny details matter.

This is true.

My better half owns a 2018 Malibu. The only way you can disable ASS is on your first drive, instead of putting it in DRIVE, you start out in the lowest gear and then shift up. Once in your highest gear, then you can shift back into neutral and then DRIVE again. That, supposedly disables ASS until you start it up again.

What a PITA! No one is ever going to do that every time you drive the car.

 

[GoHawks63]

The ASS is completely different than defeating DEF.
I don't think the EPA ever actually required an ASS feature, it was just a way to help manufacturers meet the CAFE standards that the EPA was requiring.
So they shouldn't care if you disable it or if Ford stops using it, as it was never actually a requirement.
That's why they've never pressured anyone who made/sold the dongles that kill it, while they were very much pressuring shops & people making deletes for DEF & EGRs.

Well, if you are correct, then the lowering of CAFE standards might be enough. That said, as someone else pointed out, these Broncos are sold in other parts of the world where there is an expectation that the "feature" exists, so it's doubtful that Ford will make a change just for the US market.

 

[broncobase1]

This question should be directed at manufactures not dealers. Dealers will not hack the software or make non-authorized changes. Forescan doesn't have a legit way of turning off A.S.S, it does it by turning off other features and I would steer clear of it. The best way to disable A.S.S is the dongle that mounts behind the center control panel. This simply plugs into the wiring harness, and works by remembering the setting of your disable switch. If disabled it performs an auto button press when you turn on the car.

 

[Felix808]

Mr. Whipple (not the Charmin guy) took care of that for me

 

[vrtical]

Mine came with a bypass from the factory….

My clutch pedal

I have it on my clutch pedal assisted 2017, but there is a menu option to turn the stupid shit off. My braptor its just configured to my R button, but again you always have to push it. You eventually get use to doing it, hit the start button, hit the R button, no more.

 

[totaljustice]

I'm well aware of the aftermarket options. The question is whether the ECU is locked down for 24+ vehicles and as a result the Forscan route was no longer an option, or whether Forscan disabled the ability to avoid the wrath of the EPA.

Don't forget that it wasn't long ago that the EPA vigorously went after tuners who were disabling emission control components in vehicles. It is possible that Forscan deleted that capability to avoid being the target of the EPA.

FORSCAN is Russian software and more than likely doesn't give a flying fiddler's fuck about the EPA or any other US Agencies.

 

[totaljustice]

Really? So you actually know people anyone who LIKES auto-stop-start? They specifically "like" it? Not just "don't care" about it, or are indifferent, but they enjoy the feature enough to say they like it? Fascinating!

I like it. But that being said it works seamlessly with the 7MT. It saves on fuel consumption but the only thing that concerns me about it at all is where there are so many more starter cycles, what the life of the starter will actually be. Ford says it put a Heavy Duty starter in to compensate for this but only time will tell. If the starter goes before I think it should, then I join the majority and disable the ASS as well.

 

[Sparkie]

Mine came with a bypass from the factory….

My clutch pedal

Yup, mine too!
The ASS very rarely "turns off" my engine. In the very few situations (idling in traffic while in neutral) where I might want my engine to stay active, Ford put that disable switch right there by the shift lever.

I'm guessing the ASS might seem a bigger issue for automatics, but I don't understand why. Me my wife's Hyundai is an automatic and the ASS disable is conveniently located by the lever. It's very easy to press the button as we move the lever out of park.

To me, I am more frustrated where Ford located the parking brake "button/lever". On my wife's Hyundai, that "button/lever" is on the console behind the shift lever. When I move her car, it is so easy to set the brake just before I set the lever to park.

 

[Sparkie]

I like it. But that being said it works seamlessly with the 7MT. It saves on fuel consumption but the only thing that concerns me about it at all is where there are so many more starter cycles, what the life of the starter will actually be. Ford says it put a Heavy Duty starter in to compensate for this but only time will tell. If the starter goes before I think it should, then I join the majority and disable the ASS as well.

I had a slight concern about the ASS tech when it began showing up on new cars.
My Bronco is the first new car I bought with it.
So far, I am very impressed with how instantly the Bronco starts. The engine is running faster than I can remove my foot from the clutch pedal.
Also, I have not seen any posts about starter failures in this forum.

 

[JL8jeff]

Is the A.S.S. supposed to be there to save fuel or is it to reduce emissions? Regardless, I hate it as I forgot to turn it off one day and just as I was about to pull out from my street (T intersection) it shut off as I was trying to give it gas. I had to hit the brakes quickly so I didn't roll into the intersection and start back up and disable it. I have the FPP tune so it's always disabled and I don't have to worry about it.

 

[Squatch]

The EPA gave out "emissions credits" to manufacturers for putting ASS in their vehicles. It was always a scam like companies purchasing carbon credits. Intangible credits don't reduce tangible emissions. It's a loophole that allowed vehicle manufacturers to maintain or even increase pollution while getting to brag about lowering emissions. The lowering is not based on any empirical decrease, but a calculation using made-up numbers.

The federal government also didn't make the legal drinking age 21, but they made an offer the states couldn't refuse.

The ASS is completely different than defeating DEF.
I don't think the EPA ever actually required an ASS feature, it was just a way to help manufacturers meet the CAFE standards that the EPA was requiring.
So they shouldn't care if you disable it or if Ford stops using it, as it was never actually a requirement.
That's why they've never pressured anyone who made/sold the dongles that kill it, while they were very much pressuring shops & people making deletes for DEF & EGRs.

 

[Roger123]

The EPA gave out "emissions credits" to manufacturers for putting ASS in their vehicles. It was always a scam like companies purchasing carbon credits. Intangible credits don't reduce tangible emissions. It's a loophole that allowed vehicle manufacturers to maintain or even increase pollution while getting to brag about lowering emissions. The lowering is not based on any empirical decrease, but a calculation using made-up numbers.

The federal government also didn't make the legal drinking age 21, but they made an offer the states couldn't refuse.

It cracks me up to hear people say, "Well they put in a beefier started and battery to compensate for the ASS".

Ok people, so we build heavier components and use a gallon of diesel fuel to save a teaspoon full of gasoline all the while patting ourselves on the back saying how great we are in saving the planet, too funny.

And to all the people saying what's the big deal, just push the button every time you get in your car? To that I say what if the government made you do 5 pushup's every time you walked out of your front door? Just imagine the health benefits, it's only 5 push-up's, and you'll loose weight in the process and therefore use less less gas and save the planet even faster, whats the big deal?

 

[indio22]

Is the A.S.S. supposed to be there to save fuel or is it to reduce emissions? Regardless, I hate it as I forgot to turn it off one day and just as I was about to pull out from my street (T intersection) it shut off as I was trying to give it gas. I had to hit the brakes quickly so I didn't roll into the intersection and start back up and disable it. I have the FPP tune so it's always disabled and I don't have to worry about it.

I sometimes disengage the clutch and glide to a stop in my driveway. The vehicle shuts off. But not really ... because it's ASS. The vehicle is still on. I have to screw around making sure it's really off.

My son parked the Bronco and told me it was off but beeping etc. Same issue, I had to go outside and turn the Bronco off. _$-_##! ASS. I hate it. It's yet another annoyance that keeps turning itself back on.

I'm an IT developer and if I delivered an application that kept pestering the user by renabling functions the user had disabled, my clients would not be happy.

 

[Lcubed]

I sometimes disengage the clutch and glide to a stop in my driveway. The vehicle shuts off. But not really ... because it's ASS. The vehicle is still on. I have to screw around making sure it's really off.

My son parked the Bronco and told me it was off but beeping etc. Same issue, I had to go outside and turn the Bronco off. _$-_##! ASS. I hate it. It's yet another annoyance that keeps turning itself back on.

I'm an IT developer and if I delivered an application that kept pestering the user by renabling functions the user had disabled, my clients would not be happy.

i find leaving my 7mt bronco parked in first gear removes any doubt if the engine still running

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