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[phillyfx4]

rumor here in Philly lowlifes are copying VIN #'s then going to Ford dealerships and buying key fobs to steal Bronco's

it's impossible getting past the black dots(fritz) and foam that seals the window to the frame to block the VIN

any thoughts

thanks

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[KTP 30]

I would think you need more than a vin!

 

[adam1991]

rumor here in Philly lowlifes are copying VIN #'s then going to Ford dealerships and buying key fobs to steal Bronco's

leave rumors to the tabloids.

https://www.toyotanation.com/threads/thieves-creating-a-duplicate-key-fob-based-on-the-vin.1709454/

and THAT was from 2021.

Rumors never die, they just find new hosts. Like a virus.

 

[phillyfx4]

leave rumors to the tabloids.

https://www.toyotanation.com/threads/thieves-creating-a-duplicate-key-fob-based-on-the-vin.1709454/

and THAT was from 2021.

Rumors never die, they just find new hosts. Like a virus.

seems like if ne'er-do-wells have certain "acquaintances'" in certain "places"(dealerships)
"certain" things can happen .

 

[Ducati1098]

rumor here in Philly lowlifes are copying VIN #'s then going to Ford dealerships and buying key fobs to steal Bronco's

it's impossible getting past the black dots(fritz) and foam that seals the window to the frame to block the VIN

any thoughts

thanks

You can’t “copy” a key fob just by simply buying one from a dealer.
Key fobs are programmed to the vehicle and not VIN specific at all.
Without the vehicle a key fob is useless.

Unless you’re referring to the small physical key inside the fob? But that won’t start the vehicle, only open the door.

 

[mcinfantry]

seems like if ne'er-do-wells have certain "acquaintances'" in certain "places"(dealerships)
"certain" things can happen .

I know an ‘acquaintance’ that knows an ‘acquaintance’ in a certain ’place’ with a chinook that just sling loads them away. No key needed.

is there any way we can make them to heavv for a chopper to pick up?

now that i typed it, my story is real too.

 

[bassist]

If you’re that worried, perhaps avoiding Philly is the answer.

 

[adam1991]

seems like if ne'er-do-wells have certain "acquaintances'" in certain "places"(dealerships)
"certain" things can happen .

You can’t “copy” a key fob just by simply buying one from a dealer.
Key fobs are programmed to the vehicle and not VIN specific at all.
Without the vehicle a key fob is useless.

Unless you’re referring to the small physical key inside the fob? But that won’t start the vehicle, only open the door.

I think what he might be referring to is the situation where a dealer discovered that one key (out of the two supplied) was missing from each of about 50 cars at the dealership.

And that would likely be an inside job, paid for by outsiders who wanted those keys. Thieves know people in the dealership who are willing to steal the keys in exchange for some cash.

Of course, the keys came from known VINs and are probably so labeled. So now the thief has 50 cars he can steal.

The problem is, what's the thief going to do? Start wandering the streets, looking for matching cars and checking their VINs? I guess if you're concerned about that likely happening, you'd want to hide the VIN.

On the other hand, all he has to do is drive around, find a potential match, and hit the remote button from a distance. No need to see the VIN or otherwise be placed at the scene unnecessarily. I can imagine someone finding out that some dude in the same clothing is seen walking up to cars, looking at the VIN, and walking away. Uh-uh. They wouldn't be that stupid if they could just hit the button from a distance to see if it unlocks.

Either way--be it stolen keys or keys bought from a dealer--this "rumor" traveled around the world 1000 times and is still going because people can't think straight.

There have been cases of people using back doors to reprogram the ECU to accept a new key bought from the dealer; that requires physical access and breaking in first, and spending some time plugged in to do all this work. But at no point is it a matter of "some rando bought an unprogrammed key from the dealer and used my VIN from the windshield to steal my car".

He might need the VIN, but if he needs to plug in he already has the VIN...

People need to think critically here. And in general.

 

[11811]

I think what he might be referring to is the situation where a dealer discovered that one key (out of the two supplied) was missing from each of about 50 cars at the dealership.

And that would likely be an inside job, paid for by outsiders who wanted those keys. Thieves know people in the dealership who are willing to steal the keys in exchange for some cash.

Of course, the keys came from known VINs and are probably so labeled. So now the thief has 50 cars he can steal.

The problem is, what's the thief going to do? Start wandering the streets, looking for matching cars and checking their VINs? I guess if you're concerned about that likely happening, you'd want to hide the VIN.

On the other hand, all he has to do is drive around, find a potential match, and hit the remote button from a distance. No need to see the VIN or otherwise be placed at the scene unnecessarily. I can imagine someone finding out that some dude in the same clothing is seen walking up to cars, looking at the VIN, and walking away. Uh-uh. They wouldn't be that stupid if they could just hit the button from a distance to see if it unlocks.

Either way--be it stolen keys or keys bought from a dealer--this "rumor" traveled around the world 1000 times and is still going because people can't think straight.

There have been cases of people using back doors to reprogram the ECU to accept a new key bought from the dealer; that requires physical access and breaking in first, and spending some time plugged in to do all this work. But at no point is it a matter of "some rando bought an unprogrammed key from the dealer and used my VIN from the windshield to steal my car".

He might need the VIN, but if he needs to plug in he already has the VIN...

People need to think critically here. And in general.

If the owner did not sign up for Fordpass, Wouldn't the thief, creating an account, know where the vehicle is?

 

[userdude]

Why would somebody be able to make a key from a VIN?

 

[mcinfantry]

Why would somebody be able to make a key from a VIN?

Clearly they can. He said they can. Why is that so hard to believe. It’s literally on the Internet

 

[phillyfx4]

thieves can walk up to your front or side door and steal your key codes thru your front door with a program on their cell pones

How to Prevent Thieves From Hacking Your Key Fob to Your Steal Car – NBC4 Washington

How to Prevent Your Key Fob From Being Hacked
Hackers use a device that tricks your car and fob into thinking they’re close to each other. Within seconds, they can unlock and even turn on your car.


tips on how to prevent your key fob from being hacked:

• Block the signals from reaching your key fob in the first place. Look for products that block electromagnetic and radio frequency. Faraday bags or cages are highly recommended.
• You could put your key fob in a metal container, such as a safe. Even a fridge will do, though it’s not 100% foolproof.
• Keep your key as far away from your car as possible. This makes it harder for malicious signals to reach your key fob.
• Use other devices, such as a steering wheel lock. At least the thieves won’t be able to drive off with your car.

I use Faraday bags on both sets of keys inside my home, AWAY from all doors !

 

[B22-2023]

Use other devices, such as a steering wheel lock.

All of our security tech, low car thefts in general but these occasional clickbait articles always seem to wind up as an advertorial for ”The Club”. Fitting, as it was probably for the ‘80s Philly car-lifting phase in the first place.

 

[RoLyMa27]

rumor here in Philly lowlifes are copying VIN #'s then going to Ford dealerships and buying key fobs to steal Bronco's

it's impossible getting past the black dots(fritz) and foam that seals the window to the frame to block the VIN

any thoughts

thanks

You have to have ID that matches up to the title/VIN to get a FOB made at my dealership.

 

[RoLyMa27]

thieves can walk up to your front or side door and steal your key codes thru your front door with a program on their cell pones

How to Prevent Thieves From Hacking Your Key Fob to Your Steal Car – NBC4 Washington

How to Prevent Your Key Fob From Being Hacked
Hackers use a device that tricks your car and fob into thinking they’re close to each other. Within seconds, they can unlock and even turn on your car.


tips on how to prevent your key fob from being hacked:

• Block the signals from reaching your key fob in the first place. Look for products that block electromagnetic and radio frequency. Faraday bags or cages are highly recommended.
• You could put your key fob in a metal container, such as a safe. Even a fridge will do, though it’s not 100% foolproof.
• Keep your key as far away from your car as possible. This makes it harder for malicious signals to reach your key fob.
• Use other devices, such as a steering wheel lock. At least the thieves won’t be able to drive off with your car.

I use Faraday bags on both sets of keys inside my home, AWAY from all doors !

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