BFG Replacement Recommendation

[Valhalla]

In all seriousness. You need a Nitto that street performs to your spec. Your application is more along the lines of a Subaru than a long arm desert runner designed to break gravities hold on objects and then be able to soak up the ensuing hit from gravities reminder of who is in charge. I'd not worry about the said tires aesthetics and focus on intended performance. I assume with many highway miles that will be rain/dry performance.

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[Deadpool392]

Yeah I dunno why that MT is there - blame not enough coffee

MT Baja Boss AT= Mickey Thompson Baja Boss All Terrain

 

[Brian_B]

MT Baja Boss AT= Mickey Thompson Baja Boss All Terrain

Oh yeah! That's what I meant!

 

[swamp2]

Yes, one made with the same load rating as the current Raptor-specific K02. It'll be the same thing in terms of differences between the two tires. You'll have your normal K03 (which is out now) and this spring, the C load rating tire will be released and it's lighter than the standard K03.

Here's the standard K03. Note the weight is 74 pounds. It gets the F load designation.

Here's the "Raptor" K02 which has a C load rating. Note its weight is 64 pounds. If you look up the F load rated K02, it'll be 74 pounds off the top of my head. So it'll be "same same" when the C load-rated K03 is released in the spring.

Gotcha, thanks for the deets.

Do you think that a more apples to apples comparison will be on load rating or weight? I can see arguments for both. If the new construction is just so much better and efficient then maybe that is the factor. Companys certainly want less raw materials used as that is cost.

 

[Brian_B]

Gotcha, thanks for the deets.

Do you think that a more apples to apples comparison will be on load rating or weight? I can see arguments for both. If the new construction is just so much better and efficient then maybe that is the factor. Companys certainly want less raw materials used as that is cost.

Always the chance they play shenanigans with the tread depth or pattern - could be same load rating but shave 3/32 off new tread depth or use bigger siping or more open area between lugs or different pattern and you could save a couple pounds

Not that tire companies would ever introduce different tires with the same name … 🫣

 

[Ape Factory]

The load rating is an industry standard governed by the NHTSA. It's more than tread depth. I mean the K03 is really a K02 with a new tread pattern and "rubber" compound, maybe some mods to the internal belt system. So I suspect it'll be identical to the K02 in terms of weight loss between the load ratings, all else being equal.

 

[wjtinfwb]

Need advice on tires other than BFG- I am just not impressed with the BFG’s inability to stay balanced. According to the Michelin rep at my dealer (Akins) this is a common and “known” problem with the K02 on the Raptor, so I’ve decided to replace them.

Note that I’m not a huge off roader, I’d say 5% or less of my driving and when i do go off road, it’s driving through trails at parks, in north GA, nothing crazy. In addition to running around the suburbs, I do a fair amount of road trips/highway driving.

I’m looking for a direct replacement, something that performs decently off road and has good on-road manners from a ride quality perspective.

Appreciate any recommendations!

Take a look at these Yokohama's.

https://www.yokohamatire.com/tires/geolandar-x-at

That's what I'm going with when the GY Territory's expire on my Big Bend Sas. My previous experience with Yokohama's on my Super Duty was exceptional, easy to balance, stay's balanced, quiet and long lasting.

 

[wjtinfwb]

Thank you! This list is awesome

Outstanding! All the data in one pllace. I'm very partial to Yokohama's after 2 great sets on my '02 Super Duty. I'll likely go with the Geodlandar's below when I replace the standard Territory's that I've been pleasantly surprised with.
https://www.yokohamatire.com/tires/geolandar-x-at

 

[AZ_Craig]

Take a look at these Yokohama's.

https://www.yokohamatire.com/tires/geolandar-x-at

That's what I'm going with when the GY Territory's expire on my Big Bend Sas. My previous experience with Yokohama's on my Super Duty was exceptional, easy to balance, stay's balanced, quiet and long lasting.

For what it's worth, I had X-AT in E-load on my 4Runner for over 40K miles. Never could get them balanced (and if I did tune them in they were back out within 5K miles).

The E-load was overkill by far. They were an okay offroad tire, but I found them mediocre in snow and not anything special on road either. Was much happier when I finally took them off and put on a Goodyear Duratrac RT (which for one thing was way better in snow).

Not telling you not to get them. I just found them kind of unremarkable .

 

[Valhalla]

For what it's worth, I had X-AT in E-load on my 4Runner for over 40K miles. Never could get them balanced (and if I did tune them in they were back out within 5K miles).

The E-load was overkill by far. They were an okay offroad tire, but I found them mediocre in snow and not anything special on road either. Was much happier when I finally took them off and put on a Goodyear Duratrac RT (which for one thing was way better in snow).

Not telling you not to get them. I just found them kind of unremarkable .

Usually, an E load range is a different composite than c and D range tires. I would never put a tire on my bronco because it performed well on my F-350. The weight of the vehicle and use are too varied.

 

[AZ_Craig]

Usually, an E load range is a different composite than c and D range tires. I would never put a tire on my bronco because it performed well on my F-350. The weight of the vehicle and use are too varied.

Yes, agree. I grabbed those before Yokohama brought out lower load ratings in the size I needed. There's different schools of thought on if E-load is a good idea or not for puncture resistance with the combination of sharp rocks, cactus, thorns, etc. we have in Arizona, but in general I think the weight and on-road compromises are not worth it after going back and forth for the last ~13 years. Colorado is also notorious for ripping up tires (only tire I've ever done in was a BFGoodrich KM on my Jeep in C-load going down Black Bear Pass).

I'll stick to C or D for my Bronco also moving forward. My point more about just being unimpressed by the Yokohama X-AT in general...

 

[Valhalla]

I won't go so far as not to run a E range on my Bronco as I do for my wet weather tires... they are also narrower (37x12 Bias 17 TSLii Super Swamper) For street and dryer weather tires I run a "D" Mickey T (Baja Boss MT 37x12.5 R17). I want to move off the Es to a MT Baja XS 38x13.5 R17... They are pricey though.

 

[AZ_Craig]

I won't go so far as not to run a E range on my Bronco as I do for my wet weather tires... they are also narrower (37x12 Bias 17 TSLii Super Swamper) For street and dryer weather tires I run a "D" Mickey T (Baja Boss MT 37x12.5 R17). I want to move off the Es to a MT Baja XS 38x13.5 R17... They are pricey though.

Nothing wrong with it, just going to give you more unsprung weight in a lot of cases and arguably harsher on-road ride quality. I completely understand the durability factor though, especially if you like airing down significantly.

I may have spoken too soon anyway since I think the Toyo RT Pro I'm eyeing is only available in E-load for 37" at this point. Will need to see what is out there on the market when it's time for new shoes in about a year.

I'm hoping to go more aggressive once I have a family truckster for ski road trips and will not need the snow capability I currently like having on the Bronco. Also probably will not be the vehicle of choice for winter ski focused road trips any longer...

 

[Valhalla]

Nothing wrong with it, just going to give you more unsprung weight in a lot of cases and arguably harsher on-road ride quality. I completely understand the durability factor though, especially if you like airing down significantly.

I may have spoken too soon anyway since I think the Toyo RT Pro I'm eyeing is only available in E-load for 37" at this point. Will need to see what is out there on the market when it's time for new shoes in about a year.

I'm hoping to go more aggressive once I have a family truckster for ski road trips and will not need the snow capability I currently like having on the Bronco. Also probably will not be the vehicle of choice for winter ski focused road trips any longer...

I feel like "D" rated are the happy medium. I have to spin my TSLs a lot more to get them sticky than my Mickeys. That said different companies' different composites. One is biased, one is radial. I absolutely do not worry about punctures on my TSLs, I haven't pushed the limits on the Bajas yet. High inflation on the GY's could cause gravels to push through the carcass.

 

[shane_02112]

Wanted to provide an update: I went with the Cooper Rugged Trek and so far I am very happy with their performance…they look great, too!

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