ADV Production Modular Hardtop!

[broncobase1]

Honestly, ask yourself, if you were running APG, would YOU shut the doors, shut down, and go in hiding due to what an internet forum thread is talking about? Let me state this again. NOBODY except the parties involved actually know what happened. Everyone is simply guessing and adding OPINIONS. If you had a business and decided to stop doing business because of this, you would not be in business.

This will be hashed out in court. Until then, at least for APG, it's business as usual. It is up to the consumer if they want to do business with said company.

BINGO! Both ADV and APG are blaming the other. Unfortunately the laywers will be the only winners.

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[DriveAllNight]

BINGO! Both ADV and APG are blaming the other. Unfortunately the laywers will be the only winners.

That battle is between those two companies and has nothing to do with the customers who are still out 7,000 dollars. They have to act now also.

 

[SierraBronco]

Speaking of APG-

“At APG if we can’t do it right we aren’t going to do it at all. We aren’t even going to talk about it”

 

[userdude]

“At APG if we can’t do it right we aren’t going to do it at all. We aren’t even going to talk about it”

He said it right... Just that one peep on that thread.

 

[Sunday Money]

It would be interesting if Jalopnik was aware and started poking around...

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[FtWorthBronco]

Should ship the hard tops they owe adv who owes customers. Imagine the backlash if they sell the tops to new customers without fulfilling the preorders

Backlash from who? or at least who that they would care about.

if you have not figured it out yet, they don't view the people that paid ADV for a hardtop as APG customers, they view ADV as a development partner that partially funded a purely R&D development project for the hardtop and scammed a bunch of people into paying upfront for a still in development product to basically crowdsource the ADV portion of the development investment - and I would guess they continue to push that POV given the lawsuit.

APG is really pushing the "we were still in the design/development" phase with no guarantee of a production-level product coming out of that process - but it was all on ADV to decide to sell hundreds of pre-orders and use a portion of the money to fund their share of the investment.

The fact that they directed people to actually order a top through ADV is probably the main issue with this approach to deflection.

I don't see how ADV or APG survive this honestly - but APG stands a lot better chance that ADV to continue. if I were APG, I would make some level of change to the top for the ProRunner project that they can say "fixes" the design flaw in the ADV top - like remove the spray foam entirely for something else or use some other method to apply it - and say while it was not possible to manufacture the old design up to ADV's standards, the "new" version 2 design APG is building out for the ProRunner is great....and then move on.

I would imagine they would be better off doing this under some new LLC, not APG - but they may think the value of the APG brand is strong enough to overcome any noise.

 

[DriveAllNight]

I would imagine they would be better off doing this under some new LLC, not APG - but they may think the value of the APG brand is strong enough to overcome any noise.

This.

It takes a hot second to create a new LLC, this would be their best move. They could sell the top under any name they want , supply to anyone they want, white label back to APG for their ProRunner, and in a few years new people in the market will never know what happened.

Even if APG were to be taken down with ADV, I'm sure the design are not owned by the company. If those contracts are as good as everyone says, the owner should be savy enough to put the patent in his own name, and license it back to APG.

 

[broncobase1]

Every single person who bought a hard top can and should demand their money back. ADV by law has to provide the top or the money. If they don't have the top or the money, they will go out of business. Unless all the customers just take it on the chin and do nothing about it. Which is what it seems like people ate doing. Every one of you should be filling.

Just because ADV told people otherwise, doesn't make it so. Make no mistake, this is against the law, but if no one complains, they get away with it.

If it was my money, I'd file in court individually, none of that class action crap. No way would I let them steal my money and not fight back.

You have a lot to learn my friend. Someone owes you money and doesn't pay. Your options are to file a claim with small claims court or hire a lawyer and sue. The first option is inexpensive, but what if you get a judgement and they refuse or not able to pay? This is usually the case. Been there done that! Now you need a lawyer, and if there is no money to be had you still aren't getting your money. Bottom line, while $7K is a lot for us peons it is chicken $hit when it comes to lawyers. You could end up spending a lot of money on court cases and not get a penny. The only real option is to find a lawyer willing to take on the case as a class action. And even if this happens and they win a judgment you are only going to get back pennies on the dollar, the lawyers will get thier take which needs to be in the millions before they will even take on the case. If the money is "gone", nobody is getting anything.

 

[DriveAllNight]

You have a lot to learn my friend. Someone owes you money and doesn't pay. Your options are to file a claim with small claims court or hire a lawyer and sue. The first option is inexpensive, but what if you get a judgement and they refuse or not able to pay? This is usually the case. Been there done that! Now you need a lawyer, and if there is no money to be had you still aren't getting your money. Bottom line, while $7K is a lot for us peons it is chicken $hit when it comes to lawyers. You could end up spending a lot of money on court cases and not get a penny. The only real option is to find a lawyer willing to take on the case as a class action. And even if this happens and they win a judgment you are only going to get back pennies on the dollar, the lawyers will get thier take which needs to be in the millions before they will even take on the case. If the money is "gone", nobody is getting anything.

Yea, I know all that.
I never said people were going to get their money back, and I never said to hire a lawyer, that would be throwing good money after bad.

What I said was to file, make them accountable legally, even if they can't pay.

My point is, if no one does anything, technically they could go on to be a successful business making millions with no reprocussions, because the law wouldn't know what they did.

 

[Toccoa]

I think we're all getting away from the real mystery here. How did Advanced Fiberglass Concepts get away with using ADV as their acronym? It should be AFC.

 

[ScottyC]

I think we're all getting away from the real mystery here. How did Advanced Fiberglass Concepts get away with using ADV as their acronym? It should be AFC.

...more like AFU

 

[j_marinelli]

I think we're all getting away from the real mystery here. How did Advanced Fiberglass Concepts get away with using ADV as their acronym? It should be AFC.

AFC hmmmm

Advanced Fraudulent Crooks

 

[huey]

I think the suit is in public domain and was DLd by a member of the public and posted. if you are going to mention invoices in a law suit, why wouldn't they be listed as exhibits? they did after all include two documents related to this joint venture: the Memorandum of Understanding & the distribution agreement. Why not the invoices? seems incomplete

note, I am not a lawyer, but play one on the internet

calling you matlock now lol

 

[huey]

I can ask her at the bronco stampede tomorrow.

I hope you recorded the interaction, and please post it on here. That will be gold!!!

 

[BAUS67]

I think we're all getting away from the real mystery here. How did Advanced Fiberglass Concepts get away with using ADV as their acronym? It should be AFC.

A F#$@king Circus?????

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