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Uhm, you can option internal bypass Fox coilovers! Which have never been offered on a Bronco (besides the Wildtrak that I have two of 😂)
yeah, whatever. Coilovers don’t make the “suspension” control arms do. 😳

just kidding. Those are probably an improvement. But not the advertised “wide-track” improvement.
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Do wheel spacers count as wide track or is this designation only achieved by different wheels? Asking for a friend. (I’m the friend)

Yes. Absolutely they do.

I read somewhere on this forum, can’t remember where, that adding wheel spacers (the larger the better) increases wheel travel and decreases control arm loads (ball joints and hard points) and steering rack loads. I wish I could find it, search engine sucks.

hmmm, or maybe it was an AI response??? That would be better, those are always solid.

whatever, either way, win win… I am gonna try 5.125” wheel spacers.. gonna stack 5 one inch spacers and some 1/8” washers… super cheap solution and put your silly custom +5” long arm build to shame.

I just had a thought… why not just use a crap ton of washers…. Hmmm… be back soon… gonna ask AI about this.

“wider-track” (than sierrabronco) for the win.
 

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Yes. Absolutely they do.

I read somewhere on this forum, can’t remember where, that adding wheel spacers (the larger the better) increases wheel travel and decreases control arm loads (ball joints and hard points) and steering rack loads. I wish I could find it, search engine sucks.

hmmm, or maybe it was an AI response??? That would be better, those are always solid.

whatever, either way, win win… I am gonna try 5.125” wheel spacers.. gonna stack 5 one inch spacers and some 1/8” washers… super cheap solution and put your silly custom +5” long arm build to shame.

I just had a thought… why not just use a crap ton of washers…. Hmmm… be back soon… gonna ask AI about this.

“wider-track” (than sierrabronco) for the win.
I post my build today and you’re already one-upping me. I’m not even mad.
 

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The only thing they missed on it was stock 33's instead of 35s.
Agree. Do 35s fit and have no rub across the entire F&R, turn and bottoming envelope?
 

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I read somewhere on this forum ... that adding wheel spacers ... increases wheel travel
It does...

Knuckle travel obviously doesn't increase but wheel travel does.
 

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...so whoever is looking into this doesn't get the wool pulled over their eyes, and think they are paying up for a significant leap in capability with "Raptor technology" like they claimed (which turns out is just anti-lag),
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what they are hyping as "An introduction to the raptor family".
As I said earlier that similar whopper of a quote from the Ford Raptor brand manger is both a lie and so bad it is embarrassing...
 

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I think the whole "intro into Raptor" is just a play on words.... meaning, on the door step. If you get a Ranger Raptor, you're already in! But I agree, it's a stupid moniker, and the RR makes a far better case in bang for your buck. Put a removable top on the RR, I'm in.... 🤠
A 4 cylinder with anti lag that makes significantly less than 300 HP is not even on the same side of town as any Raptor motor, let alone on the door step of being comparable.. that is just my opinion. I'd accept their claim if they put the 2.7 and at least upgraded to the Roush intake and exhaust or even slapped in the Ford performance tune on the 2.7. According to Google the weight difference is no more than 100lb between the 2 motors, so the claim that they put a 4 cylinder to make it lighter on sand is kinda washy... but holds some logic at least.
 

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A 4 cylinder with anti lag that makes significantly less than 300 HP is not even on the same side of town as any Raptor motor, let alone on the door step of being comparable.. that is just my opinion. I'd accept their claim if they put the 2.7 and at least upgraded to the Roush intake and exhaust or even slapped in the Ford performance tune on the 2.7. According to Google the weight difference is no more than 100lb between the 2 motors, so the claim that they put a 4 cylinder to make it lighter on sand is kinda washy... but holds some logic at least.
Yeah, I agree with you, just trying to defend their statement, somewhat... PR guys are known for saying things that make the purists roll their eyes.... They keep the media happy, and piss off the engineers.... 🤠
 

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It does...

Knuckle travel obviously doesn't increase but wheel travel does.

indeed.

Motion ratio is not effected by wheel spacers, ie, lower ball joint motion doesn’t change. But king pin axis does change, ie, orientation of knuckle. So as king pin angles change then leveraging longer spacers would indeed increase wheel travel.

plot shows relative changes in king pin axis for oem control arms. Notice changes are less than a few percent. Using 3% you can probably increase wheel travel by, sin(3)=0.052, so like 1/2” using 10” spacers. Definitely going to try that. What could go wrong.

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indeed.

Motion ratio is not effected by wheel spacers, ie, lower ball joint motion doesn’t change. But king pin axis does change, ie, orientation of knuckle. So as king pin angles change then leveraging longer spacers would indeed increase wheel travel.

plot shows relative changes in king pin axis for oem control arms. Notice changes are less than a few percent. Using 3% you can probably increase wheel travel by, sin(3)=0.052, so like 1/2” using 10” spacers. Definitely going to try that. What could go wrong.

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And think abouth the width trackth!
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