Low pressure fuel pump failure - recall

[ThunderFlash]

Definitely seems like the fuel pump based off those.

What do you think of this hypothetical situation. I have a 3 gallon RotoPax. If I were to put that on my roof rack and vent the can, then plumb a line down to the HP fuel pump....do you think it would feed enough fuel to get out of a tight spot?

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[Ducati1098]

What do you think of this hypothetical situation. I have a 3 gallon RotoPax. If I were to put that on my roof rack and vent the can, then plumb a line down to the HP fuel pump....do you think it would feed enough fuel to get out of a tight spot?

Probably not. There wouldn't be enough pressure into the HP pump

 

[ThunderFlash]

Sure sounds like fuel pump is a possibility.

Confirmed LPFP failure. Being covered by the PT warranty. Interesting the recall affects a single day of production of Super Duty trucks at the Ohio plant. Might that suggest it's an issue with a certain supplier? I wonder if Ohio had maybe transferred pumps from another plant to cover a pump shortage. It's a lot of affected vehicles, I got to think they resolved the issue in pretty short order once they knew of the problem rather than take a fix it later approach. When it died, temps were mid-80's and I had about 3/4 tank on the gage. I wouldn't call that "hot" or "low fuel level".

I'd love to have some shred of confidence this new pump won't suffer an untimely demize, even though the first one did make it to 22,630 miles. If it had died 30 minutes earlier, we would have been on trails that would have made recovery "challenging" at best. 30 minutes later, we could have been on the Tacoma Narrows Bridge, old Galloping Gertie's replacement(s). Good Lord that would have been a complete snafu if we died on the up grade of the East bound approach. We very well could have made the 11:00 news. If we survived the incident, the Found On Road Dead jokes from my "friends" would have been insufferable.

 

[Jazer]

Ford said about 10% of the 850k recalled have the defect - are we noticing any trends? IE failure is likely before a certain mileage?

 

[Wildsnak]

Has there been any updates on this? Seems crazy it's been so long and I haven't heard anything. I did call my dealer but I got a generic answer of "bring it in for a diagnostic" which I don't think is going to do anything ... Sounds just like hooking it up to a reader and seeing what it says. From my understanding this doesn't throw a failure code they can see, it just needs to be replaced. When asked specifically around parts they didn't have any for this particular recall.

I have a '22 Wildtrak with about 26k miles. So far no issues (knock knock) but besides the camera and seat bolt recalls I also have, this is my main worry, since this one could actually leave me stranded.

 

[ThunderFlash]

I have a '22 Wildtrak with about 26k miles. So far no issues (knock knock) but besides the camera and seat bolt recalls I also have, this is my main worry, since this one could actually leave me stranded.

That's about when mine went out (around 23K). It certainly threw codes after the fact, but I don't believe there was anything before hand. When it happened, it happened quick with about 10 seconds of for warning with mucho sputtering and complete loss of power.

I agree it is completely ridiculous there is no "fix" for the recall yet. Somehow they were/are building vehicles that are outside the recall but they can't fix the vehicles within it? Come on Ford! I would think the have had to identify the root cause to bracket the affected vehicles. I wonder, has anyone had TWO LP fuel pumps go out on them?

 

[Snowdogyyz]

Hmmm- not showing up on the app for my 23 WT, but I’ve always felt like mine drops fuel pressure a bit- especially when turning. It hesitates quite a bit and then of course kicks in and squeals my tires. Have had a couple of dodgy situations trying to get out into traffic. It’s not turbo lag as I know that feeling well.

 

[ThunderFlash]

@Snowdogyyz and @Wildsnak, they say high ambient temps and low fuel levels aggravate the LP fuel pump issues, but mine failed at about 85F and about 1/2 tank. I would not call that excessively hot, or low fuel. Ive had the performance tune for awhile now, but some of your issues might be the stock fuelling/shifting schedule, which was less than perfect. I did not notice any kind of symptoms that might suggest the pump was going south until we were cruising at about 45 mph and it just started dieing. We got to the side of the road quickly, it sputtered for about 5 seconds and died completely. It would crank and try to fire off, but that was about it. Solution?

 

[Ducati1098]

Has there been any updates on this?

No, it's still advanced notice

 

[Snowdogyyz]

I have the ford performance tune on mine as well. It’s hard to say if my issue is a fuel delivery issue versus a transmission issue. It has a hard time finding the right gear if you have to suddenly change speeds in traffic. It also “lunges” a lot when shifting. On top of that- it seems almost intermittent. Some drives it seems smooth and shifts well with very little lag. Other drives it struggles shifting and seems to starve for fuel at times. It’s a really weird thing. I just have not had the time (or patience) yet to take it in to my dealer and have them try to find such a strange issue. My wife’s 2.3 doesn’t seem to have these issues. Maybe someday I’ll take it in, but it’ll be a tough one to figure out I’m betting.

 

[CarmeloS]

Think we could use the one's from the Mustangs?

 

[ThunderFlash]

No, it's still advanced notice

No scuttlebutt around the water cooler? I've seen some say it's a manufacturing contamination issue, but I'd think flushing the tank and clearing out the fuel lines would fix that. Maybe add a screen to the fuel pickup. If some pumps are just intolerant of contamination, I'd think replacements would be the fix. Is there any form of timeline they are required to meet once the advance notice is issued, or can this drag on for ever more?

 

[Ducati1098]

No scuttlebutt around the water cooler? I've seen some say it's a manufacturing contamination issue, but I'd think flushing the tank and clearing out the fuel lines would fix that. Maybe add a screen to the fuel pickup. If some pumps are just intolerant of contamination, I'd think replacements would be the fix. Is there any form of timeline they are required to meet once the advance notice is issued, or can this drag on for ever more?

They don't give dealers that kind of information. And to be honest, it really doesn't make a difference what the cause was at this point as long as they fix it.
All they have to do is notify owners of the recall within 60 days. It will go on until they have a repair and enough parts to do the repair.

 

[ThunderFlash]

They don't give dealers that kind of information. And to be honest, it really doesn't make a difference what the cause was at this point as long as they fix it.
All they have to do is notify owners of the recall within 60 days. It will go on until they have a repair and enough parts to do the repair.

I would think the cause will drive the fix. I just can't wrap my head around a cause that would take this long to fix. The shock, rear camera, windshield adhesion, and seat adjuster bolt recalls I have don't concern me much, but this FP gig could put me in a deadly or at least a VERY INCONVENIENT situation, which it already did once.

Edit: The Toyota manufacturing approach to running your entire supply chain at red line with zero inventory or capacity to react to market changes or problems is the only one I can think of, and that irritates me far more than the initial problem. A 10 year old could anticipate where that approach would eventually lead.

 

[Ducati1098]

I would think the cause will drive the fix. I just can't wrap my head around a cause that would take this long to fix. The shock, rear camera, windshield adhesion, and seat adjuster bolt recalls I have don't concern me much, but this FP gig could put me in a deadly or at least a VERY INCONVENIENT situation, which it already did once.

Yeah I mean the cause will drive the fix, but like I mentioned, they just don't give those kinds of details so it's hard to say why its taking as long as it is.
But regardless of what either one are, unfortunately all we can do is sit and wait for the parts/repair.

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