Voiding warranty on rear camera question.

[Dylan pasty]

Howdy,
Looking at buying a tailgate reinforcement/mounting system. If I was to install this would they void my recall for my rear camera? (Assuming installing would cause for me to alter/move or mount to the camera and tire holding area?

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[Ducati1098]

As long as the camera isn’t modified, won’t have any bearing on the warranty of it. Putting a reinforcement on isn’t going to harm the camera in any way.

 

[BlueWaffle]

The reason most people buy a tailgate reinforcement would be theoretical grounds to deny you on other parts of your warrantee though..

 

[cbrenthus]

Unless you accidentally smashed the camera with the tailgate enforcement when installing it, most dealers probably wont deny you warranty coverage.

However, don’t fall into the Magnuson Moss trap that many people do and think that just because it’s illegal, they won’t deny you coverage.

Here is a good read on the subject:
https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/ffs-lets-all-stop-referencing-the-magnussen-moss-act.609911/

My attitude is that i if you’re that concerned about warranty, maybe leave it stock until warranty is up.

 

[bassist]

Unless you accidentally smashed the camera with the tailgate enforcement when installing it, most dealers probably wont deny you warranty coverage.

However, don’t fall into the Magnuson Moss trap that many people do and think that just because it’s illegal, they won’t deny you coverage.

Here is a good read on the subject:
https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/ffs-lets-all-stop-referencing-the-magnussen-moss-act.609911/

My attitude is that i if you’re that concerned about warranty, maybe leave it stock until warranty is up.

The only leverage you have as a customer is making a big enough stink to convince other people not to decide to buy the vehicle…and nobody is going to be swayed.

 

[Brian_B]

The Turn Offroad required me to splice an extension into my camera harness - so that probably voided the camera warranty right there. But that tends to happen when you cut and splice into things.

there is a different analog camera that didn’t need a splice and could use an extension. I didn’t hav that camera of course. I don’t know if it’s a different camera (360 vs non-360) or a Model Year revision or what

 

[RagnarKon]

Others are correct, it will not void your recall.

I will say this: IF they have to remove the aftermarket component to replace/repair the rear camera, they can charge for the removal of that aftermarket component. In my experience they usually won't unless it's going to add a bunch of added labor, but they can.

Still won't void any warranty/recall.

Edit: Corrected

 

[Andrew Bynum]

Assuming installing would cause for me to alter/move or mount to the camera and tire holding area?

This is the critical part most people are overlooking. The answer to your question is yes. I am a consumer warranty defense attorney.

 

[BadlandsA51]

Others are correct, it will not void your recall.

I will say this: IF they have to remove the aftermarket component to replace/repair the rear camera, they can charge for the removal of that aftermarket component. In my experience they usually won't unless it's going to add a bunch of added labor, but they can.

Still won't void any warranty/recall.

Actually Ford will pay the dealer reasonable clock time to remove and install any customer added accessories in order to perform a warranty repair or a recall. Problem is, many dealers don’t know that.

 

[RagnarKon]

Actually Ford will pay the dealer reasonable clock time to remove and install any customer added accessories in order to perform a warranty repair or a recall. Problem is, many dealers don’t know that.

MmmMMmMm. I stand corrected. I wonder what kind of limits there are for "reasonable clock time".

Brother-in-law had a winch on his truck. In order to do a warranty repair they had to remove his winch and bumper, which to be fair, added a good 1 - 1.5 hours or so to the job, and they charged him. I asked my dealer, who frankly has never charged me to remove anything aftermarket I've added. They said they could charge, but they typically don't unless it's an excessive modification (whatever that means).

So now I'm wondering if my dealer just bills the difference of whatever time Ford is willing to give them.

 

[BadlandsA51]

If a dealer charged 1.5 hours to R&R a winch and bumper for access to a warranty repair, that wouldn’t be a problem. I say that as a retired Field Service Engineer with Ford, I dealt with many similar situations. If they claim 4 hours, that would raise some eyebrows.
I’ve seen the dealer claim it under warranty AND bill the customer and tell the customer that Ford won’t pay to do it.

 

[RagnarKon]

If a dealer charged 1.5 hours to R&R a winch and bumper for access to a warranty repair, that wouldn’t be a problem. I say that as a retired Field Service Engineer with Ford, I dealt with many similar situations. If they claim 4 hours, that would raise some eyebrows.
I’ve seen the dealer claim it under warranty AND bill the customer and tell the customer that Ford won’t pay to do it.

Gotcha. Good to know—I'll have to text my brother-in-law for the future.

Wish I had more info so I could pass it by you, but I can't say with any real confidence exactly how it went down. I imagine there can be a bit of a gray area with this sorta stuff, but good info regardless.

 

[MC1313]

If a dealer charged 1.5 hours to R&R a winch and bumper for access to a warranty repair, that wouldn’t be a problem. I say that as a retired Field Service Engineer with Ford, I dealt with many similar situations. If they claim 4 hours, that would raise some eyebrows.
I’ve seen the dealer claim it under warranty AND bill the customer and tell the customer that Ford won’t pay to do it.

We have to do this all the time with medium duty truck repairs because of all the different upfitter applications.
on a side note is there any insight you can provide on why the 2.3 on cold start up (outside ambient temps cooler 50degs and lower) that it will octane ping until temps inside the engine bay warm up?
ford says it’s normal but this never happens when hot outside or when the sun is beating down on the hood warming up the engine Bay Area. I have 35 years in the business working for several manufacturers and have written hundreds of field product reports and would have to think it has to be one of the sensors.
and I know for sure it’s an octane ping and not turbo or injector noise.

 

[Brian_B]

on a side note is there any insight you can provide on why the 2.3 on cold start up

Wastegate rattle is very common (and normal) on these under those exact conditions and could very well be what you are hearing.

 

[MC1313]

Wastegate rattle is very common (and normal) on these under those exact conditions and could very well be what you are hearing.

Yes but it’s not a waste gate noise. I have looked into that and it’s clearly an octane ping.
I isolated the waste gate and still the noise is present.

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