the owner stated earlier that it was a kinetic strap and the bolts relieved themselves of the frame
Question if you don't mind answering? What kind of high cost are we talking about with the increased manufacturing costs? With most of us spending in many cases $3-$5K+ on these winch bumpers it might be something we would all be willing to pay for a save reliable setup. Just something to consider. Really appreciate you mindset of course with trying to provide these at a good price point.
Honesty I'd have to be somewhere around $350 a set to bring them back. In my mind at that point it makes sense to spend a tad more and jump up to the Lobo braces.
Yeah I'm not inclined to cut on the bumper...I would much rather have a bolt on solution. And sure understand on the bumper is a common thing. Just a personal preference to a solution that sits further down. Think it looks much cleaner. Unfortunately, Maxlider(well ADD for them) is the only one that seems to make that option in a streamlined way and they also seem to be the most expensive.
Yeah thanks was aware of all of those except the BAMF. I just think the Maxlider is a much cleaner better look that has the ADD Baja type of lines. Obviously it's all subjective opinion. The CBI is the best of those in my opinion though...Cleanest lines
I'm currently leaning toward the CBI... I keep holding out hope that I will see a new one that just blows me away. Not there yet.
And Therein lies the problem with a balls-out kinetic pull.While I'm in the market for a '23 Raptor (working on a couple available at the moment), I have been looking at accessories. In particular front and rear bumpers, but I'm concerned on the mounting points- they are mounted in essentially one plane and that would be prone to failure in real world use.
To quantify- I have built numerous vehicles, own two heavily modified Classic Broncos, and I have been rock crawling & off-roading for 25+ years. I can’t leave my vehicles stock. I have a purpose built rock crawler so the Raptor won't see that kind of abuse, but I want the bumpers to be as sleek as possible, protective of sheetmetal, recovery capable and overall- reliable. To that end- I really liked the appearance of the Addictive Desert Design (ADD) Rock-Fighter bumpers.
I have reviewed hundreds of videos and dozens of builds here and on other forums- until I came across @FiveAngelsOutdoor Raptor build. He seems to use his Raptor- nothing crazy, but real world use. Then I see the video that I snapped the below pictures from. Mount fail during a snatch recovery on an ADD front winch bumper. While the bumper seemed to come out OK, clearly it lacked support.
ADD advertises " two reinforced clevis mounts for soft shackles to provide recovery options " and points this out in their videos as well. It was a pretty aggressive snatch, but this is common in many off-road situations- especially on a heavy vehicle.
I have seen other posts about the factory recovery points being tweaked in recoveries, hidden winch mounts damaging the frames and accidents reveal a really weak front structure of the Broncos. So- what are we to do with this information? I have seen some winch bumpers that come with additional brackets to strengthen the bumper mounting point, are they enough? I don't want to weld onto the frame to support loading of this nature. There was additonal damage to his electrical system- a lot could go wrong here.
Any better bumper designs with real world snatch recoveries that would demonstrate the strength- without damage? What about rear bumpers where I’m more likely to use a snatch rope or strap? Similar type mounting points to the front.
I think @FiveAngelsOutdoor is a member here- maybe he can comment with better pics of the failure. Maybe someone from ADD or another bumper company can chime in. Either way- looking for real world input. Dropping $90k on a Raptor and then $6k on winch and bumpers is a significant investment to put at risk in this manner....
I’m right there with you. The Maxlider looks great- except the ends- not a fan of the old school grill guard either, but that’s optional. They just don’t look right even on a standard Bronco where it meets the flares.
True- I think it was a Jeep and they were trying to prove something. Need to use caution when pulling out with a kinetic rope or even winching. That said- these mounting points need to be reinforced for the stock pull points- even more so for a winch bumper.
