ICON Complete Coilover Suspension Systems (Stages 3 through 8)

[kodiakisland]

Are those photos taken with wheel turned fully out?

Well crap. No, those were straight on. Here’s full turn, in contact with the boot.

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[ChrisInSC]

Well crap. No, those were straight on. Here’s full turn, in contact with the boot.

Looks like we have the same problem.

 

[DREWR13]

would something like this help move the lower spring mount up a bit for clearance?

 

[DREWR13]

This is my passenger side with the wheel turned all the way out. No marks on either coilover or tie rod's on either side. I have around 500 miles and one offroad trip on them so far.

 

[OddBall88]

Well after seeing the last couple posts I decided to check mine at full turn both ways. Doesn’t hit the broncbraces at ride height. Might during full movement of the suspension.

 

[Triceratops]

This is my passenger side with the wheel turned all the way out. No marks on either coilover or tie rod's on either side. I have around 500 miles and one offroad trip on them so far.

Gonna tighten that jamb nut?

 

[Triceratops]

Well after seeing the last couple posts I decided to check mine at full turn both ways. Doesn’t hit the broncbraces at ride height. Might during full movement of the suspension.

Interesting, now at compression mine was moving away from the coil. I could almost keep mine on but I need to grind them. I did take a shaving out of my springs…

it possibly could work with adjustments or a spacer that was posted above but the fact Icon didn’t think this through… or test or give any advice?? No longer getting Icon wheels that’s for sure.

 

[JustSendItDude]

Finally had a chance to snap some pics of my setup and issue with tie rod clearance. Passenger side isn’t as bad, but at full lock, the driver side is in contact with the spring and you can see the damage that has already been caused after a few weeks of driving. Again, no off-roading done with this setup. Hopefully, ICON makes things right with a fix.

 

[Triceratops]

Finally had a chance to snap some pics of my setup and issue with tie rod clearance. Passenger side isn’t as bad, but at full lock, the driver side is in contact with the spring and you can see the damage that has already been caused after a few weeks of driving. Again, no off-roading done with this setup. Hopefully, ICON makes things right with a fix.

Damn that is one of the narrowest sleeves I have seen. Doesn’t give a lot of hope for a solution…

 

[Dusty at ICON]

Hey guys this issue most certainly has been a hot topic here at ICON today. I learned that my earlier responses were made without complete understanding of what’s already been going on down in Engineering to address this issue. And yes, it is something that they had already started working on in response to customer feedback. The engineering department had already drawn up a new lower bar pin that moves the lower end of the coilover back slightly to give more room for aftermarket tie rods and sleeves. In fact they have been testing them today out in the shop, on our company Bronco (I was unaware of this when I responded earlier).

The modified bar pins will be made available free of charge to anyone who has already purchased ICON front coilovers, or who purchases from existing stock that was manufactured prior to this change (it will be a running change that we are implementing on units produced in the future). I’ll post the details on how to get yours soon. This does of course move the components rearward, closer to the sway bar link, which is why we can’t move it as far back as you would probably need to clear the Broncobuster splint blocks without modifying those, as someone who posted in this thread has already done. But it should give you the clearance you need to run the various tie-rod sleeves that are on the market. We can’t guarantee all will have the same clearance of due to the varying designs that are available but we will do our best to accommodate what we can.

For those who are interested in how the sausage is made, and the reason why our engineers hadn’t placed as high of a design priority on providing clearance for these larger bulky tie rod stiffeners, our engineers have always believed that the proper solution to the tie-rod issue is , quite simply, a better tie-rod, rather than a splint or other add-on. So the stronger replacement tie-rod I hinted at earlier is part of that strategy. I didn’t know if I had clearance to talk about it yet, since it’s still a ways out from production, and we tend to get ourselves in a different kind of trouble when we talk about future products that are still a ways out. But since it does have bearing on this discussion, I’ve been cleared to mention it here. So yeah, ICON has been working on a heavy duty, forged steel tie-rod for some time now. It will be much stronger than the current stock tie-rod and address several of the stock unit’s weak points, all with only a modest increase in the diameter of the tie-rod itself. It will have proper, OEM-style steering ball joints rather than hiem joints or clevises found on some of the billet aluminum tie rods currently available. Basically it’s a factory style tie-rod, only better. To be honest, we’ve also been hoping Ford would make their beefier Ford Performance tie rods available sooner than they have, as those would also provide a proper solution that doesn’t rob the room we needed to optimize performance of our suspension components. But they’ve taken longer, and we’ve taken longer with ours, than we had hoped. So unfortunately, yeah you guys have a legit complaint that there isn’t adequate clearance to use the currently available tie rod strengthening products. We are hoping to have our first production prototypes of our tie rod on display at SEMA in November, with production units available a few months after that. I’ll post more info about them soon.

The way our engineers approach a vehicle is maximize the performance. In doing so, you end up using every inch of deflection and packaging can get tight, but its all designed within the limits of the factory components, up until we can make a better part . I am sure you all can understand that we aren’t able to design our products based on other people’s components, but we take these issues seriously, and we recognize that aftermarket steering components (outside of our own solution) will be a common upgrade so we are jumping on this.

 

[Triceratops]

Hey guys this issue most certainly has been a hot topic here at ICON today. I learned that my earlier responses were made without complete understanding of what’s already been going on down in Engineering to address this issue. And yes, it is something that they had already started working on in response to customer feedback. The engineering department had already drawn up a new lower bar pin that moves the lower end of the coilover back slightly to give more room for aftermarket tie rods and sleeves. In fact they have been testing them today out in the shop, on our company Bronco (I was unaware of this when I responded earlier).

The modified bar pins will be made available free of charge to anyone who has already purchased ICON front coilovers, or who purchases from existing stock that was manufactured prior to this change (it will be a running change that we are implementing on units produced in the future). I’ll post the details on how to get yours soon. This does of course move the components rearward, closer to the sway bar link, which is why we can’t move it as far back as you would probably need to clear the Broncobuster splint blocks without modifying those, as someone who posted in this thread has already done. But it should give you the clearance you need to run the various tie-rod sleeves that are on the market. We can’t guarantee all will have the same clearance of due to the varying designs that are available but we will do our best to accommodate what we can.

For those who are interested in how the sausage is made, and the reason why our engineers hadn’t placed as high of a design priority on providing clearance for these larger bulky tie rod stiffeners, our engineers have always believed that the proper solution to the tie-rod issue is , quite simply, a better tie-rod, rather than a splint or other add-on. So the stronger replacement tie-rod I hinted at earlier is part of that strategy. I didn’t know if I had clearance to talk about it yet, since it’s still a ways out from production, and we tend to get ourselves in a different kind of trouble when we talk about future products that are still a ways out. But since it does have bearing on this discussion, I’ve been cleared to mention it here. So yeah, ICON has been working on a heavy duty, forged steel tie-rod for some time now. It will be much stronger than the current stock tie-rod and address several of the stock unit’s weak points, all with only a modest increase in the diameter of the tie-rod itself. It will have proper, OEM-style steering ball joints rather than hiem joints or clevises found on some of the billet aluminum tie rods currently available. Basically it’s a factory style tie-rod, only better. To be honest, we’ve also been hoping Ford would make their beefier Ford Performance tie rods available sooner than they have, as those would also provide a proper solution that doesn’t rob the room we needed to optimize performance of our suspension components. But they’ve taken longer, and we’ve taken longer with ours, than we had hoped. So unfortunately, yeah you guys have a legit complaint that there isn’t adequate clearance to use the currently available tie rod strengthening products. We are hoping to have our first production prototypes of our tie rod on display at SEMA in November, with production units available a few months after that. I’ll post more info about them soon.

The way our engineers approach a vehicle is maximize the performance. In doing so, you end up using every inch of deflection and packaging can get tight, but its all designed within the limits of the factory components, up until we can make a better part . I am sure you all can understand that we aren’t able to design our products based on other people’s components, but we take these issues seriously, and we recognize that aftermarket steering components (outside of our own solution) will be a common upgrade so we are jumping on this.

So this was previously known but not disclosed so that people would still purchase?

This is not a good look with the cost of these systems.

what the timing of interim fix? A lot of us have trips planed and frankly my vehicle has less ability and confidence than it did last week before this was installed.

Again the fact that this was known and y’all still went ahead with launch? I want mine fixed and I am done purchasing Icon products. While I don’t expect it to be compatible with all tie rod products, some known compatibilities would be nice.

 

[DREWR13]

Gonna tighten that jamb nut?

Yea lets just say I have not been pleased with the shop that did the install. Taking it back to them soon to sort out some blunders. Should have just installed myself.......

 

[kodiakisland]

That's great as I'm in contact with the stock tie rod, not an added aftermarket brace.

 

[Dusty at ICON]

So this was previously known but not disclosed so that people would still purchase?

This is not a good look with the cost of these systems.

what the timing of interim fix? A lot of us have trips planed and frankly my vehicle has less ability and confidence than it did last week before this was installed.

Again the fact that this was known and y’all still went ahead with launch? I want mine fixed and I am done purchasing Icon products..

@Triceratops, you seem to think this is a defect that we've hidden from customers, and that is simply not the case. Clearance for other manufacturer's aftermarket products is a feature we have recently learned is important to some of our customers, important enough that we've decided to make a running change, and offer it for free to you and other existing customers. They've been working on it since last week. Like I said, I'll post the details on getting them soon.

 

[Dusty at ICON]

That's great as I'm in contact with the stock tie rod, not an added aftermarket brace.

If it's currently contacting the stock tie-rod, please contact our customer service folks so we can try to diagnose what went wrong either with the installation or some sort of a production variation. We have not seen that on any of the installations we've done.

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