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and for that case 700W is overkill, I guess, except the Jackery. But if I can't charge it anyway, what the point?
Yup.

If you tried to plug the Jackery into the Inverter, it will think it's a wall outlet - it has no way to know any differently. It will try to charge at full speed (that 2 hour rate), and it will overload your 700W inverter.
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All that stuff comes off the DC fuse block. It's all run from one single #2 AWG going to the battery, and you have a 100A fuse located as close to the battery for that run as you can. You may want a relay or something to protect this from running when the engine is off, it could drain your battery - maybe the dual battery kit you selected has something built in that does that already, I didn't read too far into it since it wasn't exactly pertinent to the "distribution" portion of this.
Yes, it's the point why I want to have the dual battery setup. I can have power without running an engine and it doesn't drain the primary battery.
 
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Yup.

If you tried to plug the Jackery into the Inverter, it will think it's a wall outlet - it has no way to know any differently. It will try to charge at full speed (that 2 hour rate), and it will overload your 700W inverter.
Don't want to try, but I wonder (I am sure a lot of people have tried it) what would be if I plug it to the existing car outlet? Not sure what inverter it has right now. Will it just blow the fuse?
 
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Yup.

If you tried to plug the Jackery into the Inverter, it will think it's a wall outlet - it has no way to know any differently. It will try to charge at full speed (that 2 hour rate), and it will overload your 700W inverter.
But with 1000 it would work, right?
 

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I am not familiar with that setup, can you please explain how it works?
Ecoflow sells a box which you wire up to your battery, this box delivers 800w to my ecoflow delta 2, which charges the unit in about 1.5hrs. I have a second ecoflow battery hooked up to the first one via its AC port and that delivers about 400w to charge the second battery. It also has an app that lets you control a few things like when to stop drawing power from the cars battery and other functions. They have yet to release a cable which would make it compatible with your Jackery, but there are other similar boxes out there you can look into.

This is a good video that helped me.
 

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Silly question perhaps...

But why not just use your Jackery as the "power hub" in the rear of the Bronco?? You can charge the Jackery using a 12V power line from your Bronco, and then the Jackery itself can charge USB devices, provide a power inverter, power your Dometic, etc. And as an added bonus, the Jackery can also be removed from the vehicle, put wherever you need, and connected to a solar panel for charging that doesn't require the engine to run.

Just seems like a lot of money and work to effectively give your Bronco the same functionality your Jackery already has. And as an added bonus, you can usually buy expansion batteries for most Jackerys (or Ankers, Ecoflows, etc.) to increase the overall capacity.
 
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Silly question perhaps...

But why not just use your Jackery as the "power hub" in the rear of the Bronco?? You can charge the Jackery using a 12V power line from your Bronco, and then the Jackery itself can charge USB devices, provide a power inverter, power your Dometic, etc. And as an added bonus, the Jackery can also be removed from the vehicle, put wherever you need, and connected to a solar panel for charging that doesn't require the engine to run.

Just seems like a lot of money and work to effectively give your Bronco the same functionality your Jackery already has. And as an added bonus, you can usually buy expansion batteries for most Jackerys (or Ankers, Ecoflows, etc.) to increase the overall capacity.
Fair questions.

1. I want to have more power with less physical space. So I could use Jackery outside and the second battery inside.
2. Backup, just in case.
3. Charge Jackery fast while I am driving.
 
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Silly question perhaps...

But why not just use your Jackery as the "power hub" in the rear of the Bronco?? You can charge the Jackery using a 12V power line from your Bronco, and then the Jackery itself can charge USB devices, provide a power inverter, power your Dometic, etc. And as an added bonus, the Jackery can also be removed from the vehicle, put wherever you need, and connected to a solar panel for charging that doesn't require the engine to run.

Just seems like a lot of money and work to effectively give your Bronco the same functionality your Jackery already has. And as an added bonus, you can usually buy expansion batteries for most Jackerys (or Ankers, Ecoflows, etc.) to increase the overall capacity.
I have solar panels, bought them with the same intention, but haven't used them. I like to be compact as much as possible, they take a lot of space, need to be unfolded, folded, etc...
 
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Ecoflow sells a box which you wire up to your battery, this box delivers 800w to my ecoflow delta 2, which charges the unit in about 1.5hrs. I have a second ecoflow battery hooked up to the first one via its AC port and that delivers about 400w to charge the second battery. It also has an app that lets you control a few things like when to stop drawing power from the cars battery and other functions. They have yet to release a cable which would make it compatible with your Jackery, but there are other similar boxes out there you can look into.

This is a good video that helped me.
I think this setup would be even better, thanks! Will think about it from a different angle :)
 

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I think it would be better if I describe my needs clearly and see if this setup makes sense or I need to simplify it somehow. Could you please take a look?

I have 3 major areas:

Hardwired devices:
  • 2 12V outlets for a cooler. The cooler takes 60W I guess and it has own power line to the battery, but I wanted to connect it to the hub and reduce cable management. But I can run it independently if it's needed. https://www.dometic.com/en-us/outdoor/coolers/accessories/dometic-hardwiring-kit-dc-222471 If I run it independently, it has 15Amp fuse.
  • Starlink Mini dish 40W. Want to hard wire for a case when it's on my roof.
  • An internal light bar. The low 1.4A power draw on the 40" (~.5A on the 12"
  • 12V USB outlet to charge/power phones, Garmin and other small USB devices.
  • 12V connected devices (will be plugged to the second DC outlet (see #1 from above). Do I need to have a bigger fuse or 15 amp is fine for each application (cooler + something from the list)?

General 12V devices:

120V devices (it's where I need an inverter and an outlet). I don't think I will run all of them at the same time, but want to understand If I do, what would happen.
  • Chain saw charger 80V battery
  • Drone battery charger
  • Camera battery charger
  • Heater 200W
  • Jackery 1000 for faster charging (90% it's gonna be while I am driving)
  • Jackery 300 for faster charging (90% it's gonna be while I am driving)
  • Laptop charger 140W

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IMO, this whole system you're designing seems overly complicated for what you're trying to accomplish. If the end goal is to power/charge devices, ideally, all that should be done from one auxiliary power source so that you can make sure the input charge rate can keep up with whatever the output draw rate is for any given scenario.

It seems like you have most of the power output capabilities already with your Jackery 1000. Is the main problem it just not charging fast enough off the Bronco's 12V socket to keep up with everything you're trying to do?
 
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IMO, this whole system you're designing seems overly complicated for what you're trying to accomplish. If the end goal is to power/charge devices, ideally, all that should be done from one auxiliary power source so that you can make sure the input charge rate can keep up with whatever the output draw rate is for any given scenario.

It seems like you have most of the power output capabilities already with your Jackery 1000. Is the main problem it just not charging fast enough off the Bronco's 12V socket to keep up with everything you're trying to do?
I agree. After reviewing a lot of info, I have decided to go a slightly different route. Like it was suggested above, I will just go with Ecoflow to power all my 120V stuff (will need to sell a Jackery, but it's ok, Ecoflow looks really good).

I still want to have a hub for a lamp, Starlink, a cooler + 2 12V outlets, but I think wires will be around 8 AWG. (will calculate a little bit later)

So 2 wires from the battery to the hub, inline fuse, and everything else (3 12V outlets, lamp, Starlink) will be connected to the hub with proper fuses.
 
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IMO, this whole system you're designing seems overly complicated for what you're trying to accomplish. If the end goal is to power/charge devices, ideally, all that should be done from one auxiliary power source so that you can make sure the input charge rate can keep up with whatever the output draw rate is for any given scenario.

It seems like you have most of the power output capabilities already with your Jackery 1000. Is the main problem it just not charging fast enough off the Bronco's 12V socket to keep up with everything you're trying to do?
I am thinking like that:
  • 2 12V outlets (20amp)
  • Lamp 15W (3amp)
  • Starlink Mini 40W (5amp)
  • USB outlet (10amp)
Probably 200 is too much, most likely 150, but I am not sure...

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By the way, originally I wanted to have something like that. Doesn't look like this setup has any fuses :-/

https://www.bronco6g.com/forum/thre...r-bus-bar-rear-passenger-quarter-panel.67921/
I am personally going the EcoFlow route. The Delta 2 has an 1800W (2200W burst) inverter, a slew of USB ports and AC ports, and enough 12V to keep me happy. The fact that the smart alternator charger can blast it back to 100% in 90 minutes is pretty freaking awesome. I also use the EcoFlow Glacier fridge, which has its own 298Wh battery onboard. Pretty much ensure my fridge battery is always topped off, and the rest of my devices can fight for the rest. If I make camp, I can deploy a single 110W panel and keep my fridge running pretty much indefinitely.

Also: My favorite part is that while smart alternator charger will remain in place, I can remove everything else during daily driving.
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