help...Why would one buy a Black Diamond over a Big Bend if ordered basically the same?

[tock13]

I can't find the answer to this so throwing it out to the Bronco spec experts on the forum.

I am helping a friend with an order. I get the value of the Black Diamond over Big Bend when the Sasquatch package is NOT part of the mix. Once that package is added I don't see how the Black Diamond is a better value. I need some enlightening on this so I don't steer him wrong. He has been in my Big Bend and really likes it but wants to know the differences between mine and a like built Black Diamond so he can search local dealers. I told him to just order exactly what he wants because it is a pretty quick turn around now so I am trying to help figure it out. It is down to picking between a Big Bend or Black Diamond.

The only differences I see between the two builds below is that the Black Diamond gets rockrails, full skid plates and a steel rear bumper by default. All of which could be added to a Big Bend and still be in under the MSRP of the Black Diamond spec below. That is exactly my thinking when
I ordered my Big Bend (ordered exactly as outlined below) I couldn't be happier with my Bronco. What am I missing though...anything?


Big Bend-MSRP - $40,370
4 dr
CG- $295
2.3/auto ( $1,495 )
Mid Package - $1,645
Sasquatch W/beadlock capable wheels-$7,460
Dual Tops – Carbonized Gray Molded-in-Color (MIC) Hard Top + Black Soft Top - $2,840
Mod bumper - $1,025
Aux Switches - $295
Tow Package- $750
- $40,370 + $15,805 (addons) + $2590 (dest.&Acq fees) = $58,765
*With the Ford Pass points one gets with a new Bronco full OEM skid plate set is around $600.
-with OEM skids added after the fact using Ford Pass Points - $59,365

Black Diamond-MSRP - $45,565
4 dr
CG- $295
2.3/auto
Mid Package- $1,645
Sasquatch W/beadlock capable wheels- $6,960
Dual Tops – Carbonized Gray Molded-in-Color (MIC) Hard Top + Black Soft Top - $2,840
Mod bumper- $775
Aux Switches-no charge
Tow Package- $750
- $45,565 + $13,265 addons + $2590 (dest.&Acq fees) = $61,420

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[Area51BS]

Only thing that comes to mind is back of seat mollee panels on Blk Diamond. Not worth the price diff over the BB.

 

[doyouglas]

Black diamond has different gear ratio that is better equip if you are going to upgrade to larger wheels.

I've done the same research when I was in the market between a big bend and black diamond. What you can't upgrade is the gear ratio in the big bend.

I have a 22' Black Biamond

I just re-read your post, this is only different if you get non-SAS.

 

[Montana Bronco]

IMHO if you don’t need skid plates then you don’t need Sasquatch. I realize YMMV, but that’s my opinion.

 

[Tdub0527]

If it were 2021, 2022 you would've gotten cloth instead of MGV but now they all come with MGV. Never thought about those two trims like that but I think you're right...if you don't want/need skids probably no reason to go BD.

Rock rails can easily be found on marketplaces for less than $100. Skids you'd have to install but you are right you can get them for a decent price during one of Ford's promotions....

Let us know what your friend ultimately decides!

 

[KillerPenz]

Only thing that comes to mind is back of seat mollee panels on Blk Diamond. Not worth the price diff over the BB.

Wait... really? No molle panel seat backs in the BB? What is the molle strap system listed on the window stickers?

I ask because I haven't seen the inside of a Big Bend since they went to MGV, I just assumed front seat backs would have the molle system.

 

[P52Ranch]

Ford has always had some unexplainable anomalies in their Bronco model pricing. In your example it wouldn’t make sense to go with the BD SAS compared to the BB SAS.
Last year if you wanted a BB SAS it made much more sense to order a Heritage model. Especially if you wanted a manual transmission since you didn’t get charged for the automatic buried in the SAS pricing.

 

[KillerPenz]

Only thing that comes to mind is back of seat mollee panels on Blk Diamond. Not worth the price diff over the BB.

Wait... really? No molle panel seat backs in the BB? What is the molle strap system listed on the window stickers?

I ask because I haven't seen the inside of a Big Bend since they went to MGV, I just assumed front seat backs would have the molle system.

Well it would seem I answered my own question. 1 dealer website is showing molle seat backs.

 

[Oldhippie]

used To be cloth vs plastic plus skids and back bumper and a few trim items like the grill and such…now it is 4 cyl vs v6…since ya can’t get a v6 in a BB it is no longer an my list at all…IMHO the Heritage is the best bargain trim…

 

[CalvinT]

Black Diamond has the Rock G.O.A.T. mode. Big Bend doesn't. But, other than soft throttle response, you can manually select everything that Rock mode does.

Black Diamond has the Hardtop Sound Deadening Headliner as an option. The Big Bend doesn't.

Big Bend comes with P255/75R A/T tires, Black Diamond comes with LT265/70R17 A/T tires.

 

[tock13]

Wait... really? No molle panel seat backs in the BB? What is the molle strap system listed on the window stickers?

I ask because I haven't seen the inside of a Big Bend since they went to MGV, I just assumed front seat backs would have the molle system.

I have had a '23 and now a '24 Big Bend and there are molle panels on the seats. After the Job 2 change in MY23 Big Bend got the same seats as the Black Diamond. I ordered the Big Bend specifically for the cloth but that got changed by Ford.

 

[tock13]

Black Diamond has the Rock G.O.A.T. mode. Big Bend doesn't. But, other than soft throttle response, you can manually select everything that Rock mode does.

Black Diamond has the Hardtop Sound Deadening Headliner as an option. The Big Bend doesn't.

Big Bend comes with P255/75R A/T tires, Black Diamond comes with LT265/70R17 A/T tires.

What is the sound deadening headliner? Is it different than that carpet like stuff
I have inside my MIC top?

 

[CalvinT]

I think it's worthwhile. I have it in my Badlands. Other than wind noise it's quieter than my Subaru. It's pretty thick, much more than just carpet. I haven't driven a Bronco that doesn't have it though.

 

[tock13]

I think it's worthwhile. I have it in my Badlands. Other than wind noise it's quieter than my Subaru. It's pretty thick, much more than just carpet. I haven't driven a Bronco that doesn't have it though.

Did it come from the factory like that or is it removeable? I will have to check out a badlands next time I am at the dealer. The stuff inside my top is like the fuzzy side of velcro...not sure how thick it is though but you can stick patches to it pretty nicely.

I don't have any complaints on wind noise, I mostly hear the tires.

 

[Beach_Bum]

One item that hasn't been mentioned is that the modular bumper on the BB gets a plastic skid. Whereas the modular bumper on a BD, gets the steel bash plate (in addition to the transfer case and gas tank metal skid plates).

With the MGV for all, it negates the interior differences.

The steel rear bumper on a BD vs the plastic rear bumper on the BB.

And different grills.

You can get OEM rails off the Marketplace (B6G or FB) readily.

GOAT modes can be added via ForScan.

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