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I do not understand the animosity toward electric.... It is far superior as far as instant torque, has dramatically fewer moving parts, Lasts considerably longer than conventional ICE and simply is an improvement.

The ONLY downside I see with electric is the weight of batteries.

Electric vehicles have serious recall issues only because of the complicated communications and infotainment systems manufacturers are using today. If simplified to driveline only electric propulsion is significantly more reliable and more durable.

I used to rebuild locomotives... They were a diesel electric hybrid. There is no way a diesel engine by itself could move the loads that the hybrid can move. The diesel engines were always the first thing that failed. The electric motors would only need windings replaced after 50 YEARS of continuous use.
1) plugging in means use of the grid, which screws EVERYBODY

2) lack of range- some of us actually DRIVE and like to fill up after 400 miles and be back on the road inside of another ten minutes. We don't want to plan around chargers and hoping they work and don't take hours to reach full charge.

3) oh, by the way...that weight takes a toll on the roads and EV owners don't seem to like paying the equivalent of the fuel taxes the State isn't getting.

4) I like a third pedal and HATE huge tablet-sized screens. Im not thrilled about it in the Bronco. I got my Spider, in part, because it does NOT have all that crap in the middle of the dash. It DOES have a third pedal.
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I think that the green crowd who push so hard for EV simply don't want to think about the amount of greenhouse gasses released generating the extra electricity any more than they want to think about the damage done creating those batteries.

Of course, there are ways to generate electricity without generating greenhouse gasses, but those same people don't want those means stood up anywhere near them.
 

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1) plugging in means use of the grid, which screws EVERYBODY

Maybe you should not run your air conditioning then... because you are screwing everybody. Personally I live in an area that has an adequate grid when compared to everyone else... Problem is my grid is tied to yours... But if your point is that the grid needs to be upgraded to support the coming requirements... More for AI Data centers than anything else by far... but also for simple population growth.... Then Yes I agree. There are areas of the US the grid is ready to collapse right now. Will EV's add to that load? Not as much as you think since peak demand for electricity is typically during hours that people are NOT charging their EVs.... In fact may places have enacted pricing structure to incentivize charging during off peak hours... The grid collapses when we exceed capacity... Capacity degrades with time. As companies are deregulated they start worrying about stock holder returns (short term thinking) as opposed to infrastructure maintenance and upgrades (long term thinking).... But what do I know...

2) lack of range- some of us actually DRIVE and like to fill up after 400 miles and be back on the road inside of another ten minutes. We don't want to plan around chargers and hoping they work and don't take hours to reach full charge.

Absolutely right.. that would be why so many different companies everywhere in the world are trying to solve this issue... That is also why the technology is advancing at a nose bleed rate. It is fascinating to try to track.

3) oh, by the way...that weight takes a toll on the roads and EV owners don't seem to like paying the equivalent of the fuel taxes the State isn't getting.

right again.... huge problem. Most of that is the batteries (weight that is)... Good thing people are trying to be first to market to solve that problem.... not to mention charging times, run away fires, societal issues with mineral extraction, charging times etc. etc....

Your point about weight... valid. since vehicle licensing is local I would suggest that your state implement a licensing fee structure that accounts for weight... I have been a proponent for years.

4) I like a third pedal and HATE huge tablet-sized screens. Im not thrilled about it in the Bronco. I got my Spider, in part, because it does NOT have all that crap in the middle of the dash. It DOES have a third pedal.

Unfortunately there are pros and cons with everything... I love a third pedal...
 

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I think that the green crowd who push so hard for EV simply don't want to think about the amount of greenhouse gasses released generating the extra electricity any more than they want to think about the damage done creating those batteries.

Of course, there are ways to generate electricity without generating greenhouse gasses, but those same people don't want those means stood up anywhere near them.
^This^

Without a real nuclear infrastructure ( > 80% ) EV's in every garage and data centers every few miles just don't make no sense. A micro reactor infrastructure is probably the future, but not in my lifetime - heck, not in < 50 years, probably 75. Greens most of all would have to do a 180 on their position...I'll never see it, neither will most of the posters here.
 
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I think that the green crowd who push so hard for EV simply don't want to think about the amount of greenhouse gasses released generating the extra electricity any more than they want to think about the damage done creating those batteries.

Of course, there are ways to generate electricity without generating greenhouse gasses, but those same people don't want those means stood up anywhere near them.
Seriously? Those "greens" as you call them are the same people screaming for renewables. I think they care what is going into the environment from EVERY source... Damn.... all you have to do is look at what they are writing.... and saying...

AND yes there are always NIMBYs.... (not in my back yard) and then there are BANANAs (build absolutely nothing anywhere near anything.)

I am all in only because it simply creates a faster more powerful vehicle that will last much longer. I do not think they are quite ready for prime time YET... but they will be very soon. If you understand life cycle curves it clearly point to this outcome.
 
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I will respectfully disagree based on my personal experience with the brand. Purchased their little Kicks last year to be my daily commuter car and to then pass down to my son when he gets his driver's license. It has about 12k miles on it and hasn't had a single issue which is a bit of a contrast to my Bronco (though nothing serious). Our family has primarily purchase Fords or Nissan/Infiniti in the last 20 years and would say the Nissan/Infiniti brand has had far less problems than the Fords we have owned.
Nissan is broke. So much so that their global headquarters in Japan is for sale, their flagship plant in Japan is for sale, and their Mexican plant is for sale. Renault bailed them out and they're broke again. Now worse, they also have the burden of Mitsubishi under their wing.
 

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Seriously? Those "greens" as you call them are the same people screaming for renewables. I think they care what is going into the environment from EVERY source... Damn.... all you have to do is look at what they are writing.... and saying...

AND yes there are always NIMBYs.... (not in my back yard) and then there are BANANAs

I am all in only because it simply creates a faster more powerful vehicle that will last much longer. I do not think they are quite ready for prime time YET... but they will be very soon. If you understand life cycle curves it clearly point to this outcome.
I do look at what they are saying. Yes, they want it, no they don't want it <where they live>. It's always someone else who has to pay.
 

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It’s still a Nissan. Yuck.

Recently Nissan improved their styling.

Take a look at 2022-2025. Unfortunately it looks like they're getting weird again for 2026. Hopefully the latest weirdness will be limited to crossovers, and not affect their trucks?

Not sure if Nissan will still be around in 28? I love my 24 Frontier. I like the idea of the Z sports cars, but my stable is filled with jeeps and bronco.

They probably won't offer a two-door xterra, so that eliminates me. I like small trucks, but I want a 2-door, for the larger front seat area.
 

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I do look at what they are saying. Yes, they want it, no they don't want it <where they live>. It's always someone else who has to pay.
The problem I have with your statement is those are not necessarily the same people... In fact quite often (at least at hearings I have been to) It is not the same people. More often than not I find that is different groups. I listen to their testimony and I talk to them... at least with projects around here....
 

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For the record, I am on the bus of renewable energy. Nothing's perfect, but most options are better than coal. Yet, we can't build nuke plants, people cry about bird strikes on wind turbines, etc. People love the IDEA of clean power, but they don't so much love what that means. There was a big proposal several years back to put in a wind farm off Martha's Vineyard. The demographic up there usually supports green power, right? Oh hell no, you're not messing with my view is the answer. f'in hypocrites. And while not all of them are the same people, it seems a lion's share are. There's always a reason why you can't put solar here, or you can't use wind there. If it's not "muh view" being wrecked, it's the critically endangered dung beetle that just can't lose it's habitat. Something's gotta give, but /something/ uses ALL habitat. there's always an excuse why <power generator X> cannot be built in <location y>.

Most of my friends who are "all in" on electric don't care how the power gets generated when you ask. They him and haw if you mention coal plants, but bring up nuclear? Oh no, that's evil. They don't care about what goes into the batteries. We can, and should be increasing our non fossil fuel electrical generation but there's always a lawsuit to tie it up, no matter where it is, because we want it, we just don't want it here.
 

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Nissan is broke. So much so that their global headquarters in Japan is for sale, their flagship plant in Japan is for sale, and their Mexican plant is for sale. Renault bailed them out and they're broke again. Now worse, they also have the burden of Mitsubishi under their wing.
Maybe I'm looking at it from a "glass is half full" but I see the closes, job cuts, and other restructuring they are doing as a necessary to stay in business (IE they are taking the correct steps to not go broke and out of business). Another food for thought, Nissan recorded a net loss was 4.5 billion (ending in March of 2025) and is projected to be at 4.2-4.3 Billion when released this March. Ford was at 8.2 Billion.
 

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I’m still surprised Honda didn’t buy them last year. On the surface that seemed like a match made in heaven. The fact that Nissan is so poised for a buyout and no one has snatched them up (or at least more public interest) maybe telling.
 

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I’m still surprised Honda didn’t buy them last year. On the surface that seemed like a match made in heaven. The fact that Nissan is so poised for a buyout and no one has snatched them up (or at least more public interest) maybe telling.
Japanese corp culture/expectations is different than ours. More long term, yet at same time more insulaor. Hard to say what happened exactly, but you would have expected the merge to have happened in the west.
 

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Maybe I'm looking at it from a "glass is half full" but I see the closes, job cuts, and other restructuring they are doing as a necessary to stay in business (IE they are taking the correct steps to not go broke and out of business). Another food for thought, Nissan recorded a net loss was 4.5 billion (ending in March of 2025) and is projected to be at 4.2-4.3 Billion when released this March. Ford was at 8.2 Billion.
It's all absolutely an effort to remain in business. When they sold the commercial truck unit (Nissan Diesel/UD) to Volvo Group, that was out of desperation for cash.
Renault head Carlos Ghosn, one of the most brilliant automaking CEOs of our time, saved Nissan. But over the years, certain Nissan and government individuals felt it was a loss of face for Nissan to be controlled by Europeans, never mind that Nissan had become insolvent and Renault invested billions. They colluded and had Carlos arrested when he flew into Japan for a meeting, and then attempted to break Nissan away from Renault. Renault immediately became disgusted with the alliance........and here they are today, broke again.
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