EPA to end Auto Start/Stop on cars!

[OuterBanks]

This is the right step, hope there is more to come. If you want things, pay for it, but let’s not make all pay for it.

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[the quietman]

It's a simple matter of pushing a button on the dash. Don't understand the angst folks have over this

 

[Soulstice]

A better “green” option than the stop start crap would be to require municipalities to time their stoplights better (and more logical traffic control programs) so you don’t spend so much time sitting waiting on nobody. There’s some relatively small towns I go through that you literally have to stop at every stoplight and there’s not that much traffic. I’ve heard their excuse Is that if they make you stop at every light you won’t get going too fast. Well how about they just write tickets for speeding instead?

You haven’t driven through DC or any other wacked place with robots handing out tickets in awhile I’m guessing? Careful what you wish for.

I’m all for turning off auto s/s, and I do every time, but the speed limits should be for people under 35…

 

[lakesinai]

The EPA announces it is getting rid of the ‘start/stop’ incentive on cars. This means that Ford could theoretically remove the default to 'On' every time you start your Bronco via a software update and allow it to remember your last setting. This would be huge!

I hope that the long term result in NOT a less robust starter, or battery, and other components that have been beefed up to support dozens of starts a day.

 

[crenca]

I hope that the long term result in NOT a less robust starter, or battery, and other components that have been beefed up to support dozens of starts a day.

I hope that is exactly the result. Plenty of other areas of the Bronco that could use a bit of over-engineering and robustness. I hope they take the wasted $ they have sunk into this unneeded system and put it to good use...

 

[Brian_B]

I hope that the long term result in NOT a less robust starter, or battery, and other components that have been beefed up to support dozens of starts a day.

I'm not really convinced they were all that beefed up in the first place... I won't dispute that engines can start up with a lot less cranking than they used to though.

 

[TNcoupe]

Omg yes. I don’t have a problem with ASS. But I have a huge problem with poorly timed stoplights. It takes 20 minutes to drive across 2 miles of Palo Alto because the lights are not properly timed. It’s the center of AI and technology, and we spend 1 gallon of gas to go 2 miles. Lol

Red lights are the biggest waste of energy in the US. Every intersection should be a roundabout

 

[BroncoChallenger]

Red lights are the biggest waste of energy in the US. Every intersection should be a roundabout

Dangerous words - those are more hated than AS/S.

As for AS/S...it's not actually a mandate. EPA only ever mandated fuel economy numbers. AS/S is a technology that most, if not all, OEMs decided to use to help reach those numbers on at least some of their vehicles. The USE of said technology to help reach fuel economy standards was approved, but NEVER mandated. The technology is here to stay, and will likely be on most vehicles going forward, mostly because it's already written into the programming, and why spend money removing something that doesn't hurt anything?

Seriously. There's a button on your dash to turn it off every time. I have to double-press a button on my dash every time to engage my auto engine brake. It's not difficult.

 

[the quietman]

Dangerous words - those are more hated than AS/S.

As for AS/S...it's not actually a mandate. EPA only ever mandated fuel economy numbers. AS/S is a technology that most, if not all, OEMs decided to use to help reach those numbers on at least some of their vehicles. The USE of said technology to help reach fuel economy standards was approved, but NEVER mandated. The technology is here to stay, and will likely be on most vehicles going forward, mostly because it's already written into the programming, and why spend money removing something that doesn't hurt anything?

Seriously. There's a button on your dash to turn it off every time. I have to double-press a button on my dash every time to engage my auto engine brake. It's not difficult.

Just push the dang button...

 

[crenca]

As for AS/S...it's not actually a mandate. EPA only ever mandated fuel economy numbers.

It is a "mandate", in that the EPA issues fleet mileage credits for implementing it, and the manufactures have to play along given market conditions because if you don't, the $cost$ is too high.

 

[Ducati1098]

and will likely be on most vehicles going forward, mostly because it's already written into the programming, and why spend money removing something that doesn't hurt anything?

Nah, very easy to remove it if they wanted to and they likely would moving forward on new cars if possible. They had to when there was chip shortages for some vehicles already, wasn't a big deal.

No manufacture is going to waste money on something they don't need. I'm sure they would love to get rid of all the programming, additional coolant/transmission pumps, cut costs on the starter/battery, ect.

Changing the programming on older vehicles that already have it probably wouldn't happen as that would be a waste though.

 

[BroncoChallenger]

It is a "mandate", in that the EPA issues fleet mileage credits for implementing it, and the manufactures have to play along given market conditions because if you don't, the $cost$ is too high.

That's not a mandate. That's an incentive. Which is why not all vehicles have it. If it were a mandate it would be on EVERY vehicle.

Terminology matters.

 

[BroncoChallenger]

Nah, very easy to remove it if they wanted to and they likely would moving forward on new cars if possible. They had to when there was chip shortages for some vehicles already, wasn't a big deal.

No manufacture is going to waste money on something they don't need. I'm sure they would love to get rid of all the programming, additional coolant/transmission pumps, cut costs on the starter/battery, ect.

Changing the programming on older vehicles that already have it probably wouldn't happen as that would be a waste though.

There is cost involved to take it out. Is it relatively easy? Oh probably. But is it cost-effective to redesign wiring circuits, dash panels, starters, etc. to remove it once it's designed and being produced? Not usually, because there's tooling and training costs involved in all of that. Not to mention it will likely come back in the future.

 

[Medictrode]

People who believe the manufacturers when they say they “put a heavy duty starter” in are adorable. Every brand I’ve worked on, with the exception of Chryslers and their extra battery or Etorque setup, which is troublesome, nothing has changed. Do you really think Ford or anyone else cares about longevity?

So neat idea and all, very poor execution. One that only benefits the cafe numbers and not the consumer.

 

[Ducati1098]

There is cost involved to take it out. Is it relatively easy? Oh probably. But is it cost-effective to redesign wiring circuits, dash panels, starters, etc. to remove it once it's designed and being produced? Not usually, because there's tooling and training costs involved in all of that. Not to mention it will likely come back in the future.

True, there would be a cost to remove it. But it would be beneficial financially in the long run if it was able to stay removed. Whether or not that happens, who knows.

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