Now that the dust has settled.

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Why so much "hate" for electric vehicles?

I don’t get the shrieking either. Ford will be making ICE F-Series a hundred years from now.

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[adam1991]

You're not wrong. However I do highly recommend getting the 4A transfer case.

...which is why I spec'd that in my mind as we were looking and my wife wanted an OBX for grocery-getting duties.

Fortunately, the dealer had that (plus 2.7 plus rear locker, all things I wanted) in stock in a great color, so we pulled the trigger.

 

[MadMan4BamaNATL]

SO it's not the electric vehicles themselves, its others trying to make you switch to them that you balk at. That makes more sense then hatred of the vehicles themselves. Thanks, for not only the answer, but not biting off my head in the process. That happens quite a bit around Bronco6G. LOL

No, EVs also do suck since travel is a hassle.

EVs are basically an urban vehicle, whereas roadtrips are a cornerstone of American culture. The rest of the world just doesn’t enjoy the level of freedom we have, can’t understand it, and many don’t even want it, but we do as Americans.

If people want an EV, they should be free to have them, but rural communites, remote areas, following disasters with no electricity which are more common don’t make sense for EVs since charging takes forever and with limited capacity.

Hybrids are another story and I’m in support of those. Toyota makes great hybrids and I wish Ford would make more.

 

[adam1991]

No, EVs also do suck since travel is a hassle.

So if you don't travel--say, if you just commute a few miles and drive around town--there's no hassle.

I agree, don't shove them down my throat. But in the end, it's just another tool. If it works for the job at hand, it works.

EVs are basically an urban vehicle, whereas roadtrips are a cornerstone of American culture.

That's one way to look at it.

EVs as they rolled out come from the minds of the wealthy SoCal buyers. Of course you can afford to have a second car. Of course you have space for it. Of course you can afford the infrastructure to charge it--which includes owning a home. The privilege just spews from these assumptions. And of course weather isn't an issue, right?

Meantime, the apartment dwelling people in northern climes are not at all interested in parking for an hour at a third party charger (probably paying more per mile of charge than gasoline), only to go home and have a car with a third the published range once the weather takes its toll.

Around here, the city is filling to the brim with these stick built "luxury apartments". Those people will never want EVs.

I can't tell you how many places I've seen people demanding that the world join them in EV ownership no matter what, while at the same time saying things like "...and if we go anywhere on the weekend, we just take my wife's Audi Q5." Uh-huh.

One of these rabid EV types even said he wanted to take people who disagreed with him and "punch them in the throat".

If people want an EV, they should be free to have them, but rural communites, remote areas, following disasters with no electricity which are more common don’t make sense for EVs since charging takes forever and with limited capacity.

but, we live in a world where the government flies a Chinook carrying three pallets of battery chainsaws into a Helene disaster area. Hey, they followed their procedure, right? Outcomes don't matter.

Hybrids are another story and I’m in support of those. Toyota makes great hybrids and I wish Ford would make more.

Hybrids and PHEV are the best way to solve your roadtrip issue. They are the best use of today's limited battery capabilities and resources, by far. The bang for the buck on hybrid technology is huge. Sure, there will always be the golf cart use case--but gasoline will rule for a long, long time when it comes to putting energy into our cars.

Many people--many of them here--don't understand hybrids, never looked into them, and have all sorts of misconceptions about them. They're not hard to understand, but here we are 20 years later and it's still an uphill battle.

I loved my Chrysler PHEV van. My wife's daily use was all on battery, but we could take it on road trips without thinking. And in January 2023, when Uncle Sugar started giving tax credits for buying used plug-in cars, I took the opportunity to replace the 220K mile Prius my son was driving, and got him a 2016 C-Max Energi plug-in hybrid. And that car is one reason I didn't think twice about buying another Ford.

 

[HoosierDaddy]

and the Maverick would be the Ranchero.

We got us a gott Damm visionary right here! LOL

This is the way.

 

[MadMan4BamaNATL]

So if you don't travel--say, if you just commute a few miles and drive around town--there's no hassle.

I agree, don't shove them down my throat. But in the end, it's just another tool. If it works for the job at hand, it works.


That's one way to look at it.

EVs as they rolled out come from the minds of the wealthy SoCal buyers. Of course you can afford to have a second car. Of course you have space for it. Of course you can afford the infrastructure to charge it--which includes owning a home. The privilege just spews from these assumptions. And of course weather isn't an issue, right?

Meantime, the apartment dwelling people in northern climes are not at all interested in parking for an hour at a third party charger (probably paying more per mile of charge than gasoline), only to go home and have a car with a third the published range once the weather takes its toll.

Around here, the city is filling to the brim with these stick built "luxury apartments". Those people will never want EVs.

I can't tell you how many places I've seen people demanding that the world join them in EV ownership no matter what, while at the same time saying things like "...and if we go anywhere on the weekend, we just take my wife's Audi Q5." Uh-huh.

One of these rabid EV types even said he wanted to take people who disagreed with him and "punch them in the throat".


but, we live in a world where the government flies a Chinook carrying three pallets of battery chainsaws into a Helene disaster area. Hey, they followed their procedure, right? Outcomes don't matter.


Hybrids and PHEV are the best way to solve your roadtrip issue. They are the best use of today's limited battery capabilities and resources, by far. The bang for the buck on hybrid technology is huge. Sure, there will always be the golf cart use case--but gasoline will rule for a long, long time when it comes to putting energy into our cars.

Many people--many of them here--don't understand hybrids, never looked into them, and have all sorts of misconceptions about them. They're not hard to understand, but here we are 20 years later and it's still an uphill battle.

I loved my Chrysler PHEV van. My wife's daily use was all on battery, but we could take it on road trips without thinking. And in January 2023, when Uncle Sugar started giving tax credits for buying used plug-in cars, I took the opportunity to replace the 220K mile Prius my son was driving, and got him a 2016 C-Max Energi plug-in hybrid. And that car is one reason I didn't think twice about buying another Ford.

Well said on all counts.

we drive Fords and I think Ford is for normal folk; the rich have so many options of everything. I think normal is just fine and no one should feel shame in it.

I think more of my rural brethren than those in urban areas. Why? Because no one ever seems to care about them or factor them in. However, rural folk are my favorite people to be around, no matter what they look like or anything else. That’s just my take on things.

anyway, will be a long time before we see a ton of chargers in rural America. Hell, cell service is hard enough now.

 

[rdg04578]

Well said on all counts.

we drive Fords and I think Ford is for normal folk; the rich have so many options of everything. I think normal is just fine and no one should feel shame in it.

I think more of my rural brethren than those in urban areas. Why? Because no one ever seems to care about them or factor them in. However, rural folk are my favorite people to be around, no matter what they look like or anything else. That’s just my take on things.

anyway, will be a long time before we see a ton of chargers in rural America. Hell, cell service is hard enough now.

Agree 100 percent. Not to mention the number of times we loose power sometimes for hours--sure would suck if you needed a charge. this sign about sums it up for Norther Maine

 

[JT58Bronc]

Why so much "hate" for electric vehicles?

Electric cars and like driving my iPhone- which I don't use unless for texting or calling, LOL. I am old very school and (old) by my age although energetic and young at heart. I grew up working on small gas engines on lawnmowers, mini bikes, go carts, tractors, etc. I love the sound of gas engines- especially the sound of V8's with dual exhaust. Give me a V8 manual with headers and dual exhaust, roll down windows, no options, I don't even need a radio and just let me drive and row the gears and listen to the wonderful sound. Actually I have that LOL with my very bones very basic 1987 Chevy Squarebody Custom Deluxe truck- -base bare bones short bed work truck. Easy to work on, super reliable, will haul me and my gear, kayaks to my favorite fishing spots and great for car shows

 

[CV428]

Moar door outer banks is the 'soccer mom' version (no offense to those here who have it). It's like the Wrangler Sahara. I'd be surprised if it went anywhere. I could be wrong though.

Honestly, other than some special editions, I think both just need basics:

Bronco to Wrangler
Base = Sport
OBX = Sahara
Big Bend = Rubi

That's why I bought mine- needed a family vehicle and refused to get a soulless "crossover" or a minivan. I have absolutely zero interest in off-roading.

 

[lat2801]

The OBX fills that modern luxury that's standard on grocery-getters, there's a lot of overlap on the other trims. The OBX may eventually get renamed, but a more "street" friendly trim will always have a place.

I love my grocery getter street friendly trim

 

[rmc523]

Just came here to say the dust will never settle........there will always be something to complain about haha...

 

[Deleted member 64703]

Electric cars and like driving my iPhone- which I don't use unless for texting or calling,

My wife drives a lot around town for her job. We aren't rich but have a house and a home charger(tax write off). We bought her a CPO Model 3 from Tesla(great deals right now) and I have a love-hate with it. There's definitely a time and place for one pedal, fast as hell, numbingly quiet driving. Would I pick it every day? No. Do I mind driving it? Not at all. It's interesting how polarizing EVs are.

 

[rmc523]

That said, I am sad that Wildtrak was dropped, but happy that Badlands can now be largely equally equipped save a few items.

 

[adam1991]

That's why I bought mine- needed a family vehicle and refused to get a soulless "crossover" or a minivan. I have absolutely zero interest in off-roading.

There's no denying, minivans are the correct tool for the family job. I mean, when it's the right tool, you use it, right? You don't scoff at the pliers and pull out a hammer just because you think pliers are "soulless," right? And when you have a family, you do all sorts of things you wouldn't do if it were you by yourself.

We had minivans for over 20 years. And frankly, the latest Chrysler is a thing of absolute luxury beauty combined with incredible versatility when needed.

Over the years, we've watched the world transition from cars to what they've been calling "SUVs", and then to "CUVs". Really? What's a "crossover"? We found them absolutely silly for most people. They lack the space of a minvan while adding the unnecessary bulk that a car doesn't have. It's a tool looking for a job, not the right tool for any job. Me, I like cars. Apparently people can talk themselves into all sorts of silly things. Just look around.

My wife was finished with minivan, and so--like you--we ended up with Bronco. Not one of the soulless SUVs or the very few cars left on the market (take away the Koreans, which I won't buy, and it's very VERY few cars left on the market). Frankly, it's one of those things we would never have seen ourselves buying, but as the man said, sometimes you just gotta say "what the hell".

And it turns out she loves it. Absolutely zero regrets.

 

[adam1991]

There's definitely a time and place for one pedal

no there's not. Not ever. Because one pedal driving does NOT illuminate the brake lights.

And that's a serious problem. I found myself behind one of those assholes playing with his shiny video game toy on the road, braking without lights--and realized he was playing in "one pedal mode".

Don't be that asshole.

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