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I am curious what happens if some Ford tech flashes your vehicles config over the HOSS 3 PSM on a service call. Does it brick? Does it need to be reflashed to the WildTrak again?
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Rack-Hack. HOSS 3.0 severe duty STEERING RACK and TIE RODS ...Ford Performance M-3200-WT
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That's a pretty good question. Once (And if ever), the actual Ford Performance upgrade kit comes out, I think a dealership is more likely to recognize a Bronco with this rack, and will hopefully know how to deal with it...
In the unlikely event that I actually let a dealership work on my Bronco, I'll try to leave super detailed instructions with them of what they should NOT do....
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No there is no red flag here....no way the dealer will have any clue unless they compare programming. FDRS just does not work like that. It does keep a history tho. But very unlikley that ANY tech would know where to look or even have a reason to be suspicious...let me guess your worried about some dumb warrentee?
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Please understand once its programmed, then the truck IS flashed back to original configuration....so there are no issues.... no brick issues. Ford can flash and upgrade, or update all they want, that wont change a thing with this rack...once the part has been programed and calibrated, it works...simple as that.
As far as i know, Ford has NO way to un-program ANY modules. Only to re-program them.
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What’s the part number for the 3.0 steering rack Tie Rods only?
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As noted above, if you leave specific instructions on the fact that you have modified your Bronco and that certain modules should not be reprogrammed without talking to you first, dealerships will usually not mess with the programming unless you tell them to do it.
This is where you also have to realize that you are off the reservation and need to be comfortable with being a bit uncomfortable. Fortunately, you can at times get support from enthusiasts inside the company.
Warranty? That's so 10,000 miles ago.
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Hello again Bronco fans! I have good news today. I was correct in my previous post that I recieved a defective rack. I got it's replacement today and installed/programmed it and it works flawlessly w/no error codes in ANY modules! Mine is a 2dr BL 2.3/7mt for reference, and I have only standard options, so my procedure may be complicated by a higher option package, but since @BigMeatsBronco has a fully loaded FE I'm sure workarounds can be had. Here's the simplest procedure I could come up with:
Before you start, connect a battery charger, and make sure the laptop, etc you use for forscan/FDRS is fully charged. If you have installed the new Ford performance tune, or any custom tune, return to stock before starting. If you have recalibrated tire size/gear, return that to original values. Then open forscan and connect to the vehicle as normal. Forscan always asks to save a profile, but this time you really should, and rename it something you will remember...you WILL need it! Once you have done that (WITHOUT disconnecting forscan), unplug your PCM and AWD module. Now go into programming BodyCM in forscan (not asbuilt, just BodyCM configuration). Scroll all the way to the bottom to find three lines labeled VIN. Edit them to change them to the WT 3.0 donor vin we are going to use. Check and double check that all digits are correct, then hit write. Your vehicle is gonna be dinging and bonging and throwing up all kinds of error messages...just ignore. Now if you haven't installed your 3.0 rack yet plug it into the harness, if you went ahead and installed it you are ready for the next step. Close forscan, making sure it has released the J2534 device, and open FDRS. Have FDRS read the vin and make sure it matches your donor vin. I always have to disconnect from the vehicle to get FDRS to download vin info...maybe you won't have that problem, but if you do, just unplug the device from the computer for a second while it downloads, and decodes. Next in toolbox find PSCM>PMI, and download. Plug the J2534 back in (if you had to unplug it before), and run PSCM PMI. Follow the on screen instructions, but when the dialog box asks if the original module is installed select NO. If the application finishes w/no errors you are almost home! PMI should take about 5-10 minutes, but believe me it felt like eternity! Anyhow, on to cleanup...make sure FDRS releases control of the J2534, and close FDRS. Reopen forscan. Forscan will not decode a vehicle w/a disconnected PCM, so when it tells you it can't communicate, it's not really telling you the truth, but that's what it will say, and should open a dialog box and ask you if you want to load a saved profile. Load the one we saved at the beginning. Back to programming, edit BodyCM (non asbuilt). All the way at the bottom of the list, edit the vin back to your own vin, the same way you did earlier. Hit write/verify vin is correct, then key off, plug in PCM and AWD, then back in forscan erase all codes in all modules (which there will be MANY). Now key off/back on and scan all for codes. If yours works out like mine you should be code free and have a working PSCM at this point. If you did this w/out the rack installed yet, and its getting late, you can still plug your original back in and install the rack another time, or if you have it in, its ready for the alignment rack! WOOHOO!
Before you start, connect a battery charger, and make sure the laptop, etc you use for forscan/FDRS is fully charged. If you have installed the new Ford performance tune, or any custom tune, return to stock before starting. If you have recalibrated tire size/gear, return that to original values. Then open forscan and connect to the vehicle as normal. Forscan always asks to save a profile, but this time you really should, and rename it something you will remember...you WILL need it! Once you have done that (WITHOUT disconnecting forscan), unplug your PCM and AWD module. Now go into programming BodyCM in forscan (not asbuilt, just BodyCM configuration). Scroll all the way to the bottom to find three lines labeled VIN. Edit them to change them to the WT 3.0 donor vin we are going to use. Check and double check that all digits are correct, then hit write. Your vehicle is gonna be dinging and bonging and throwing up all kinds of error messages...just ignore. Now if you haven't installed your 3.0 rack yet plug it into the harness, if you went ahead and installed it you are ready for the next step. Close forscan, making sure it has released the J2534 device, and open FDRS. Have FDRS read the vin and make sure it matches your donor vin. I always have to disconnect from the vehicle to get FDRS to download vin info...maybe you won't have that problem, but if you do, just unplug the device from the computer for a second while it downloads, and decodes. Next in toolbox find PSCM>PMI, and download. Plug the J2534 back in (if you had to unplug it before), and run PSCM PMI. Follow the on screen instructions, but when the dialog box asks if the original module is installed select NO. If the application finishes w/no errors you are almost home! PMI should take about 5-10 minutes, but believe me it felt like eternity! Anyhow, on to cleanup...make sure FDRS releases control of the J2534, and close FDRS. Reopen forscan. Forscan will not decode a vehicle w/a disconnected PCM, so when it tells you it can't communicate, it's not really telling you the truth, but that's what it will say, and should open a dialog box and ask you if you want to load a saved profile. Load the one we saved at the beginning. Back to programming, edit BodyCM (non asbuilt). All the way at the bottom of the list, edit the vin back to your own vin, the same way you did earlier. Hit write/verify vin is correct, then key off, plug in PCM and AWD, then back in forscan erase all codes in all modules (which there will be MANY). Now key off/back on and scan all for codes. If yours works out like mine you should be code free and have a working PSCM at this point. If you did this w/out the rack installed yet, and its getting late, you can still plug your original back in and install the rack another time, or if you have it in, its ready for the alignment rack! WOOHOO!
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Fantastic so glad yougot it workin...Hello again Bronco fans! I have good news today. I was correct in my previous post that I recieved a defective rack. I got it's replacement today and installed/programmed it and it works flawlessly w/no error codes in ANY modules! Mine is a 2dr BL 2.3/7mt for reference, and I have only standard options, so my procedure may be complicated by a higher option package, but since @BigMeatsBronco has a fully loaded FE I'm sure workarounds can be had. Here's the simplest procedure I could come up with:
Before you start, connect a battery charger, and make sure the laptop, etc you use for forscan/FDRS is fully charged. If you have installed the new Ford performance tune, or any custom tune, return to stock before starting. If you have recalibrated tire size/gear, return that to original values. Then open forscan and connect to the vehicle as normal. Forscan always asks to save a profile, but this time you really should, and rename it something you will remember...you WILL need it! Once you have done that (WITHOUT disconnecting forscan), unplug your PCM and AWD module. Now go into programming BodyCM in forscan (not asbuilt, just BodyCM configuration). Scroll all the way to the bottom to find three lines labeled VIN. Edit them to change them to the WT 3.0 donor vin we are going to use. Check and double check that all digits are correct, then hit write. Your vehicle is gonna be dinging and bonging and throwing up all kinds of error messages...just ignore. Now if you haven't installed your 3.0 rack yet plug it into the harness, if you went ahead and installed it you are ready for the next step. Close forscan, making sure it has released the J2534 device, and open FDRS. Have FDRS read the vin and make sure it matches your donor vin. I always have to disconnect from the vehicle to get FDRS to download vin info...maybe you won't have that problem, but if you do, just unplug the device from the computer for a second while it downloads, and decodes. Next in toolbox find PSCM>PMI, and download. Plug the J2534 back in (if you had to unplug it before), and run PSCM PMI. Follow the on screen instructions, but when the dialog box asks if the original module is installed select NO. If the application finishes w/no errors you are almost home! PMI should take about 5-10 minutes, but believe me it felt like eternity! Anyhow, on to cleanup...make sure FDRS releases control of the J2534, and close FDRS. Reopen forscan. Forscan will not decode a vehicle w/a disconnected PCM, so when it tells you it can't communicate, it's not really telling you the truth, but that's what it will say, and should open a dialog box and ask you if you want to load a saved profile. Load the one we saved at the beginning. Back to programming, edit BodyCM (non asbuilt). All the way at the bottom of the list, edit the vin back to your own vin, the same way you did earlier. Hit write/verify vin is correct, then key off, plug in PCM and AWD, then back in forscan erase all codes in all modules (which there will be MANY). Now key off/back on and scan all for codes. If yours works out like mine you should be code free and have a working PSCM at this point. If you did this w/out the rack installed yet, and its getting late, you can still plug your original back in and install the rack another time, or if you have it in, its ready for the alignment rack! WOOHOO!
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Awesome news, You've got the same setup as me (Badlands 2.3/7MT) and I'll be doing the swap and program next weekend, and it's good to see success with the same setup...Hello again Bronco fans! I have good news today.
Congrats and thanks for the detailed instructions!
Did you need to use a 2dr donor VIN, or will a 4dr WT 3.0 suffice?
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I got a tracking number! Super happy!
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I'm not sure it matters...I really doubt that it does, however the vin I used does happen to be for a 2dr. The only reason for the donor vin, as I see it, is to force FDRS to download the correct firmware for the part #. My hope is some time in the future, they will simply release a generic firmware for all trims that allows you to manually select this part # as an upgrade. Till then looks like we have found a solution!
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That's kinda why we are "wrestling" with FDRS the way we are...the software is designed to prevent exactly that. So likely the PSCM would simply reject any attempt to reflash it...however, I am also at a loss to think of any reason any tech would attempt to reflash a PSCM unless he was installing a new one (certainly is the only reason I ever have)
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Congratulations if any one needs that it you, let me know on installing it I will come over. Day or night all good.
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I working on getting a lucky rabbits foot for the rear view mirror.Congratulations if any one needs that it you, let me know on installing it I will come over. Day or night all good.
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