ProCal + What else?

[MatteOBX]

Just upgraded from a 2.7L 2-door to a Raptor and been thinking about getting the ProCal

* edit - just realized my entire message didn’t post.

to maximize the HP of the ProCal what else is recommended to go with it. I already use 91 octane fuel.
nothing? Cold air, down-pipe, blow off valve, etc.?

I know answers will vary so any facts/data about recommendations appreciated

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[DewarT]

You won't regret the seat of the pants feel of the additional power. You must use 91 or higher octane fuel, so a fill up will cost you more.

In baja or sport mode, the car is vastly better. But even in normal driving mode, there is a burst of power that is much improved.

 

[911braptor]

You won't regret the seat of the pants feel of the additional power. You must use 91 or higher octane fuel, so a fill up will cost you more.

In baja or sport mode, the car is vastly better. But even in normal driving mode, there is a burst of power that is much improved.

91 isn’t required, as the computer will adjust, but 91 will give you all of the tunes power.

 

[Dez Pony]

Mine is a '22 Badlands with the 2.7L engine. I had a dealer install the ProCal and the thing improved. Later, looking at throttle response, I ended up with the Banks Pedal Monster. Three modes with ten levels each. Adjustable whenever you need to. Street/Highway and dirt road/sand stuff I set at Sport # 3 for that stuff. Rock Crawling I use City #3. Also, Banks never allows the Pedal Monster activate in reverse in any mode/level. Keeps ya from driving into the kitchen when ya back into the garage. This combination makes mine feel like a totally different Bronco...because it is!

 

[swamp2]

91 isn’t required, as the computer will adjust, but 91 will give you all of the tunes power.

Reasonably sure not.

The stock Raptor only makes its quoted power on 93 octane, not 91. So although the FP tune states 91 minimum, I absolutely expect it won't develop its full stated power without 93.

My very approximate testing indicates about a 20-25 hp hit from running 91 instead of 93 on the stock tune. Quite significant.

If you don't have 93 octane available (I don't). It is fairly easy to blend in some E85 ethanol and bump that octane right up.

On a loosely related note, I will soon be releasing a paid, Google Play App, to accurately calculate boosting (and dilution) of octane via ethanol. You will be able to fill your tank fully or partially and achieve either a desired octane or desired % ethanol with a very wide range of fuels. There is literally NO accurate, science/data driven site with such a calculator... Hence, I developed it. So many websites give inaccurate information on the relationship between ethanol concentration and octane.

The relevance here for the OP is this:

• Best bang for the buck - run 93 octane
• 2nd best - FP tune
• 3rd best - full custom tune such as ZFG
• All other "hardware" mods are very marginal if any power whatsoever, we are talking way more money and at least 10x less power gain.

 

[MatteOBX]

Reasonably sure not.

The stock Raptor only makes its quoted power on 93 octane, not 91. So although the FP tune states 91 minimum, I absolutely expect it won't develop its full stated power without 93.

My very approximate testing indicates about a 20-25 hp hit from running 91 instead of 93 on the stock tune. Quite significant.

If you don't have 93 octane available (I don't). It is fairly easy to blend in some E85 ethanol and bump that octane right up.

On a loosely related note, I will soon be releasing a paid, Google Play App, to accurately calculate boosting (and dilution) of octane via ethanol. You will be able to fill your tank fully or partially and achieve either a desired octane or desired % ethanol with a very wide range of fuels. There is literally NO accurate, science/data driven site with such a calculator... Hence, I developed it. So many websites give inaccurate information on the relationship between ethanol concentration and octane.

The relevance here for the OP is this:

• Best bang for the buck - run 93 octane
• 2nd best - FP tune
• 3rd best - full custom tune such as ZFG
• All other "hardware" mods are very marginal if any power whatsoever, we are talking way more money and at least 10x less power gain.

Thanks for the very informative response.

 

[Brian_B]

The stock Raptor only makes its quoted power on 93 octane, not 91. So although the FP tune states 91 minimum, I absolutely expect it won't develop its full stated power without 93

On my non-raptor 2.3 with ProCal, running only 91 because I don't want to mix e85 and cant buy 93 here — I can confirm that I am not at full power. There is a ECM parameter that tells you how far advanced (or retarded) the computer is due to knock/octane - and mine is only at 63% (or so). The full rated hp would be at 100%, so there is room for additional improvement in my case if I could get better octane fuel.

 

[LethalPerformance]

Just upgraded from a 2.7L 2-door to a Raptor and been thinking about getting the ProCal

* edit - just realized my entire message didn’t post.

to maximize the HP of the ProCal what else is recommended to go with it. I already use 91 octane fuel.
nothing? Cold air, down-pipe, blow off valve, etc.?

I know answers will vary so any facts/data about recommendations appreciated

Welcome to the BRaptor life! It's a fun one.
What year is your BRaptor? Is it a '22 or '23? If so, I'd -likely- go Whipple tuned in this case. You're after maximizing your power output and the Whipple tune is a bit more aggressive and will respond best to the mods I am about to list as well.
https://www.lethalperformance.com/w...ration-2022-2023-ford-bronco-raptor-3-0l.html

If considering any exhaust and wanting to see a power boost, you'll have to look at downpipes. The SPD ones are VERY nice and what we'd recommend:
https://www.lethalperformance.com/s...-2023-ford-bronco-raptor-3-0l-dp30br23ss.html

I would also recommend going with an intake - there's a larger variety available on these than downpipes and luckily they're all great options.

The S&B and AFE options are our most popular and you really caannot go wrong with either:
https://www.lethalperformance.com/s...2024-bronco-raptor/induction/cold-air-intakes

Let us know if we can put together a package and/or help out.
Again, welcome to the BRaptor life!

 

[MatteOBX]

Welcome to the BRaptor life! It's a fun one.
What year is your BRaptor? Is it a '22 or '23? If so, I'd -likely- go Whipple tuned in this case. You're after maximizing your power output and the Whipple tune is a bit more aggressive and will respond best to the mods I am about to list as well.
https://www.lethalperformance.com/w...ration-2022-2023-ford-bronco-raptor-3-0l.html

If considering any exhaust and wanting to see a power boost, you'll have to look at downpipes. The SPD ones are VERY nice and what we'd recommend:
https://www.lethalperformance.com/s...-2023-ford-bronco-raptor-3-0l-dp30br23ss.html

I would also recommend going with an intake - there's a larger variety available on these than downpipes and luckily they're all great options.

The S&B and AFE options are our most popular and you really caannot go wrong with either:
https://www.lethalperformance.com/s...2024-bronco-raptor/induction/cold-air-intakes

Let us know if we can put together a package and/or help out.
Again, welcome to the BRaptor life!

thanks for the information!
my Braptor is a 24. I don’t see a charge pipe or blowoff valve recommended. Are these not needed?
Still on fence about swapping exhaust as v6’s with exhaust always remind me of my import days.

 

[LethalPerformance]

thanks for the information!
my Braptor is a 24. I don’t see a charge pipe or blowoff valve recommended. Are these not needed?
Still on fence about swapping exhaust as v6’s with exhaust always remind me of my import days.

You'll have to stick to the ProCal then, which is not a bad thing in any way! The FP team did a great job on the tune for it:
https://www.lethalperformance.com/f...tool-2022-2024-bronco-raptor-m-9603-br30.html

You can do the Hot/Cold kit by AFE for a charge pipe.. It's a great kit in the sense of quality and fitment. You won't reaally see any sort of power increase, though. BOV is going to be a sound-adder at this power level..the stock setup doesn't bleed boost. I personally love the 'whoosh', so going with something like the AFE Hot/Cold + a BOV is in my books!
https://www.lethalperformance.com/a...nco-raptor-2024-ranger-raptor-46-20754-r.html

 

[swamp2]

the Whipple tune is a bit more aggressive and will respond best to the mods I am about to list as well.
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Come on @LethalPerformance , provide a shred of evidence that this other plethora of suggestions, in combination with this tune produce gains above repeatability and noise of a roller dyno, which is at least 10 hp.

 

[LethalPerformance]

Come on @LethalPerformance , provide a shred of evidence that this other plethora of suggestions, in combination with this tune produce gains above repeatability and noise of a roller dyno, which is at least 10 hp.

I am not sure what you're asking or implying. Are you saying an aftermarket downpipe and intake will not provide any gains (especially with their reflash)?

 

[swamp2]

I am not sure what you're asking or implying. Are you saying an aftermarket downpipe and intake will not provide any gains (especially with their reflash)?

I've not seen any products for the Raptor that make any appreciable AND vetified gains (i.e. anything close to a tune, even 1/4 of what a tune makes). Some exhaust folks (not Lethal) are claiming 5 hp, come on, that can't even be reliably reproduced, it's noise. Some cold & hot pipe systems look the most promising but there is some reasonable skepticism on some of those reported numbers. No intakes very likely won't make power or again it will be at the level of noise. Yes finally down pipes, less than 10 hp (so again 1/4th of the FP tune) all for a mere 250% of the cost of the tune...

But back to the synergy you mentioned. If you have some apples to apples data showing synergistic gains from the Whipple tune + hardware perhaps I missed it. Apologies if so. To be clear this would mean test with hardware only (say gain = x), tune only (gain = y) and then tune+hardware and gain is greater than x+y. If this isn't what you meant, that's also fine, but it sure sounded like that's what you meant.

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