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So I picked up a 200.4 from someone who wasn’t impressed with the results they got. It came with the harness from Rad. I installed it and the first thing I noticed is how hot the amp was getting and how little gain was available before clipping. Practically none.

The sound was improved thanks to the DSP and it was louder but not hugely. I upgraded my kicks to Memphis 6.5 and dash to Alpines. Another improvement but still not as amazing as expected. And the heat and clipping still remained.

so it was RTFM time on the kicker. First takeaway? It says right there that these are four ohm stable only. Yet all the harnesses being sold with your kick and your dash speakers wired together are sending a two ohm load to amp one. Clearly, this is not right and it explains both the heat and early clipping.

It also got me thinking about the fact that this harness sends 50 W to the rear pods, which are high passed. I’m a big believer in using speakers in the back only for rear fill. We should be focused on the front sound stage not what’s behind us. That said, 50 W is a complete waste to the pods. It would be better just using head unit power. Rear fill should be mostly unnoticed. You want the music out in front of you.

So back to RTFM. The Kicker Key 200.4 has a bi-amp mode that is literally perfect for how the front sound stage should be run in a bronco. Assuming you don’t have an amazing 8 to 12 channel DSP amp of course. That would be better. But if you want to use the Key 200.4, this is the way. When running bi-amp mode, your dash speakers will run on amp one and your kick panel speakers will run on amp two. An automatic high pass will be placed on the dash speakers at 340 Hz. Ideal for my 4” alpines with a tweeter. A low pass will automatically be applied to the kick panels at 640 hertz. You then have the option of setting your dip switches to block lower bass frequencies if you choose. I prefer the 60 Hz setting but 80 Hz would probably work pretty well too. Higher than that seems like a waste since the kick really has midbass if you set it up right.

Leave EQ and time delay on. I don’t care for the compression setting so I don’t use them. Set both of your gains settings all the way down and rerun the DSP set up. Then be prepared for something amazing. Your dash speakers will be running in the optimal frequency range as will your kicks. Set your gains and be prepared for yet another surprise. You have plenty of headroom before you start to clip now. You will also notice an enormous volume increase for your front sound stage. And your amp probably won’t even be noticeably warm.

For the rear speakers, you need to take apart the incorrectly wired harness (all of them are wrong. Period) and just send the head unit Power to the pods. Luckily the manufacturer of the harness I received use the same color wires on both sides of the harness, so it was very easy to discern.

so I’ve made some very declarative statements and I’m sure it’s gonna come off as a hot take. Good. The fact is that the Key 200.4 amp is not 2 ohm stable. Anyone having trouble with settings on the amp resetting or not feeling like the volume is good or wondering why it’s so damn hot or wishes it didn’t clip so freaking quickly….. The problem is your harness and how you’re using the amp. Will it work the other way? Sort of. It functions, but it isn’t doing what it can do. It most likely is throttling because of the thermal issues.

Go make these changes and you’ll be shocked at how much better your front stage sounds. Not having mids and lower frequencies going to the dash lets them really shine with the DSP applied. The kicks having the exact right frequencies for midbass adds to tons of snap and clarity. You get tons more volume and the sound quality is vastly improved.

If you haven’t upgraded your subwoofer, you can pretty much plan on not hearing it anymore. That’s a good thing. Just means you need to upgrade your sub. I know I have my replacement ordered.

If you disagree, I suggest you do what I did. RTFM then wire it correctly.

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Yet all the harnesses being sold with your kick and your dash speakers wired together are sending a two ohm load to amp one. Clearly, this is not right and it explains both the heat and early clipping.
you need to take apart the incorrectly wired harness (all of them are wrong. Period
So I will be the Roadrunner this morning. I have been reading threads about upgrading the stereo on here for about 4 years now. A lot of conflicting advice! You are the first person to make these bold claims. How can ALL of the harness builders be wrong? You sound as though you might have done this for a living? I am being sincere, not combative or accusatory.
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So I will be the Roadrunner this morning. I have been reading threads about upgrading the stereo on here for about 4 years now. A lot of conflicting advice! You are the first person to make these bold claims. How can ALL of the harness builders be wrong? You sound as though you might have done this for a living? I am being sincere, not combative or accusatory.
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If you use the factory wiring for the speakers - the fronts are wired in parallel from the factory - so 2 ohms or less on the front channel for most automotive speakers you drop in there.

So all plug and play systems are going to have this. The only way around it is to not be lazy and rely on just the plug and play harness and adjust the front speaker wiring in some manner. This is ~not~ a dig at the harness providers - it requires you to alter a factory plug or run a new wire.

I know @RagnarKon altered his kick panel wiring so that they run in series rather than parallel. I ran a new wire to the dash speakers and ran those from the head unit direct (until I upgrade to an 8Ch amp). The OP is doing something similar but running the rear pods from the head unit.
 
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So I will be the Roadrunner this morning. I have been reading threads about upgrading the stereo on here for about 4 years now. A lot of conflicting advice! You are the first person to make these bold claims. How can ALL of the harness builders be wrong? You sound as though you might have done this for a living? I am being sincere, not combative or accusatory.
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Love it! never for a living but I’ve installed stereos since the late 80s for myself and others. Back in the day we attended many IASCA competitions (even entered one for fun). Good music in a vehicle is a must for me as a musician.

Some of my observations are clearly preferential like having the rear stage more invisible. Some people just want the maximum amount of sound in the space and those people should find a six channel amp or bigger. Unless of course, the amp they find with four channels can do two ohm loads.

there is a lot of conflicting advice. First, as to the harness makers. Well, they want to sell harnesses. No harm in that. I have one and I’m thankful that they made it. My set up started with using their harness as configured. That’s when all the observations I made occurred. Why is this thing getting so hot? Why is it clipping so quickly? Why does it only sound alright? That second one helps answer the first one. Then realizing that the kick panels and the dash speakers are wired together answered the rest. A bit of perusal of the manual showing that it’s not a two ohm amplifier pretty much answers the rest. Luckily the key 200.4 has some really great features at its price point. The ability to run bi-amp mode is practically made for the kick panel + dash situation of the bronco.

I wasn’t completely clear on the correct way to wire the front kicks. The easiest is to unplug the kick panel connector, wrap it in bubble, wrap, or foam and wire, tape, and tuck that connector out of the way. This will leave amp one running just the dash using stock wires. The stock wires aren’t great but it’s easier that new wires that don’t matter that much since it’s 50 watts to 640hz up mid tweets. Then you should run new wires to your kick panels and attach those directly to amp two. I have no doubt there will be some dissent since people are doing the wrong setup everywhere. The fact is, it’s putting an unsupported load on the amp and robbing the listener of a ton of Power to the front stage that could be used better and produce great results. That part is not a hot take. That’s tested in proven in my bronco.
 
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If you use the factory wiring for the speakers - the fronts are wired in parallel from the factory - so 2 ohms or less on the front channel for most automotive speakers you drop in there.

So all plug and play systems are going to have this. The only way around it is to not be lazy and rely on just the plug and play harness and adjust the front speaker wiring in some manner

I know @RagnarKon altered his kick panel wiring so that they run in series rather than parallel. I ran a new wire to the dash speakers and ran those from the head unit direct (until I upgrade to an 8Ch amp). The OP is doing something similar but running the rear pods from the head unit.
indeed I am. With the Key 200.4 sending power to the rear is a waste of what the amp can do. Bi-amp to the front stage is a magnitude better for volume and sound quality. I’d even argue that the Key is likely throttling output to handle the unsupported load on amp 1. It’s doubtful to me that the front speakers are getting a full 25 watts each when in the 2 ohm config. 15-20 seems likely and my ears tell me the same based on output. With all 200 watts up front and the amp operating in spec, the volume change and quality improvement is dramatic. Just be sure to set gains equally as you raise them to just before the clip.
 
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If you use the factory wiring for the speakers - the fronts are wired in parallel from the factory - so 2 ohms or less on the front channel for most automotive speakers you drop in there.

So all plug and play systems are going to have this. The only way around it is to not be lazy and rely on just the plug and play harness and adjust the front speaker wiring in some manner. This is ~not~ a dig at the harness providers - it requires you to alter a factory plug or run a new wire.

I know @RagnarKon altered his kick panel wiring so that they run in series rather than parallel. I ran a new wire to the dash speakers and ran those from the head unit direct (until I upgrade to an 8Ch amp). The OP is doing something similar but running the rear pods from the head unit.
Thanks Brian. You and @RagnarKon and one other guy(can't think of his name) all know what your doing. Hell I would pay you to help me upgrade mine if I lived close enough to you! I understand what the OP is doing and what you are saying. So I guess my question is, why are the harness makers doing this? Why wouldn't they make them correctly in the first place?
 

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Thanks Brian. You and @RagnarKon and one other guy(can't think of his name) all know what your doing. Hell I would pay you to help me upgrade mine if I lived close enough to you! I understand what the OP is doing and what you are saying. So I guess my question is, why are the harness makers doing this? Why wouldn't they make them correctly in the first place?
Because then it wouldn’t be just plug and play…

you would be surprised at how many people would not buy it for that reason alone.

And it’s easy enough to fix even with their harnesses.
 

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Because then it wouldn’t be just plug and play…

you would be surprised at how many people would not buy it for that reason alone.

And it’s easy enough to fix even with their harnesses.
Ok, I was thinking that they were building them for the lowest common denominator (idiot proof) but didn't want to say it out loud.
 

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Love it! never for a living but I’ve installed stereos since the late 80s for myself and others. Back in the day we attended many IASCA competitions (even entered one for fun). Good music in a vehicle is a must for me as a musician.
The 80's and 90's were fun times in the car audio world. I had a 80 model Trans-Am with a Pioneer cassette player and Pioneer speakers all around and a big 10 channel EQ/Amp. I never entered a sound off but we went to a few of them in the DFW metroplex. I had a buddy that I helped that got REALLY into it. He had a Mitsubishi Eclipse we put 8 twelves in with Alpine and Fosgate electronics. Damn that thing was loud. Turned up about half way it literally shook the dash.
 
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The 80's and 90's were fun times in the car audio world. I had a 80 model Trans-Am with a Pioneer cassette player and Pioneer speakers all around and a big 10 channel EQ/Amp. I never entered a sound off but we went to a few of them in the DFW metroplex. I had a buddy that I helped that got REALLY into it. He had a Mitsubishi Eclipse we put 8 twelves in with Alpine and Fosgate electronics. Damn that thing was loud. Turned up about half way it literally shook the dash.
Those were definitely the days. I was in Oklahoma, so we probably saw some of the same competition vehicles. And this is back before China bought PPI and all the rest of the really great manufacturers and homogenized the market. But that’s a different story and argument. :)

I had everything from 1/2 din eqs in dash on up to a massive 4 JL dual vc 10s in a fourth order band pass that took up the whole cargo area of my suv. That system rocked hard. Tweets hidden in vents up front and double 6.5 in doors. PPI class A amps on a huge display rack. So much audio control it was crazy. These days Dsp can handle so much EQ and timing that making an amazing system is pretty easy if you just use stuff how it is supposed to operate. You do have to pick good/right drivers and install well of course.
 
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Ok, I was thinking that they were building them for the lowest common denominator (idiot proof) but didn't want to say it out loud.
They are indeed doing that too haha. It is nice that they connect the vehicle harness to the amp harness for you - even if you are going to re-wire part of it it still saves you a good 30 minutes of crimps or soldering, and potentially mixing up wires. If that’s worth the extra money they charge for the harness is somewhat subjective I guess.
 
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They are indeed doing that too haha. It is nice that they connect the vehicle harness to the amp harness for you - even if you are going to re-wire part of it it still saves you a good 30 minutes of crimps or soldering, and potentially mixing up wires. If that’s worth the extra money they charge for the harness is somewhat subjective I guess.
agree 100%. You don’t have to source connector parts and do tedious wiring just to get started. Buying one and fixing it is best.
 

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Because then it wouldn’t be just plug and play…

you would be surprised at how many people would not buy it for that reason alone.

And it’s easy enough to fix even with their harnesses.
Heh...

The amount of people who have DM'd me to ask if they could do XYZ only to say "nevermind" or "I guess I'm paying someone to do it" when they figure out the amount of work involved is... impressive.
 
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Heh...

The amount of people who have DM'd me to ask if they could do XYZ only to say "nevermind" or "I guess I'm paying someone to do it" when they figure out the amount of work involved is... impressive.
It takes a minute to be sure. but you get to keep your money and that works for me. :)
 

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My 200.4 died after 3 weeks the warranty support was horrible so I bought an Audison AP 8.9 and sold the reconditioned 200.4 finally got six weeks later.

The kicker Key amps are cheap price and get what you pay for which is very old tech. Better to buy better stuff on diymobileaudio classifieds IMO or bump the budget.
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