Granger October Reservation Holders Update

[Zach@Granger]

I must have misread your post below then.

The above also mentions reopening the order window, meaning it was closed at some point. These are your words, no?



(removed your emphasized parts and added mine to zoom in on the fact that the first seven words in the quote you picked literally says they can convert orders past March 19th and later that they can convert into April because the deadline is not actually a deadline for orders, just allocation formula numbers. (which is what I am looking for verify, that it is not the deadline for actual '21 orders)

He then goes on to state that they will be calling October folks in March and April, thus choosing to not meet the order deadline. I do not think it is unreasonable for a customer to expect the dealer to expend enough resources to actually convert the reservations they have for 2021 Bronco's during the ordering period. Even if many of them might not get one. Since, as we covered above, Granger is stating that the can convert orders after 3/19 regardless of the deadline Ford emailed us about, I do not think it is off the walls crazy to ask if there was a directive from Ford or if it is just an interpretation of the information we all have by Granger that justifies them pushing off some customers until after the stated ordering deadline. (which is what I am looking for verify, that it is not the deadline for actual '21 orders)



This is the crux of the matter. How do they know which people are which? They are going in order and are not going to get to the end until April. Per Granger more than half of all reservations are October and later. Those are the ones that will be gotten to in March and April. Meaning a big chunk are not going to be given the call and option before 3/19/21. To illustrate; say the last 195 of folks up to October 30th want to postpone until '22. Works out fine for them either way. The 28 people on the 31st who do want a shot at a '21 (as likely or unlikely as it may be) don't get a call to order until after March 23rd and are for sure out of luck. Hence my desire for verification about the timeline to be in the running for a '21.
(which is what I am looking for verify, that it is not the deadline for actual '21 orders)



You understand and repeat my concern without realizing it here. Yes, if it goes faster (or the conversion rate is low enough, and we won't know either until well past 3/19/21) then they will go later in the time stamped orders that were in before 3/19/21. Maybe much later timestamps that are anticipated by some people now. If you would have been in the time stamp group that was 'moved up' into 2021 production, but your dealer didn't bother getting your order in before 3/19/21, you are shit out of luck.

Will Granger be getting 100 phone calls on March 19th from people demanding to be put in the '21 pile just in case? Don't know, but I doubt they could handle it in one day (maybe a week). Again, Granger is stating that they are about halfway with about half of the time gone in the order period. If they are not anticipating finishing them until a month after the end of the ordering period, especially with a new hire, that means they are choosing to pull other resources off of the calls and probably soon if not already. Their business and I do not begrudge them one iota to run it as they see fit. I just do not want to see people unnecessarily delayed another model year with the attendant cost increases and possible loss of a color they wanted because their chosen dealer did not get their 2021 Bronco reservation converted in time to a 2021 Bronco order. (whether they get one or not is in Ford's hands then).

Again, how does Granger or any dealer know which 2021 reservations desire to wait (for sure) until 2022MY? They stated that they assume most October reservations expected it and want it. I made an October reservation (when production was still starting in March) and I thought I had a excellent shot at a '21 because of my firm belief that conversion numbers are going to be stupid low and that the production capability was there. (again all before they moved production later and sent out the letters about delays) Have they asked or polled a sample of October and later reservations if they want to wait for sure until 2022? I certainly haven't seen such a thing.

I give up on getting an answer to my question about verification on converting after 3/19/21 and go with what Ford states. I will ask to have my order placed by the middle of March if they haven't gotten to me yet and that will end my worry. If no one else is concerned, that is on them.

So my understanding is that the March 19th cutoff is for two things 1st reservations before September 19th that are converted will play into a dealerships allocation formula and second that those customers who have converted will get an estimated timeline of when their vehicle will be built. It is not my understanding that those who convert after that will not be eligible to receive a 2021 MY vehicle. I've been wrong before in life, but that's my understanding.

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[ZackDanger]

So my understanding is that the March 19th cutoff is for two things 1st reservations before September 19th that are converted will play into a dealerships allocation formula and second that those customers who have converted will get an estimated timeline of when their vehicle will be built. It is not my understanding that those who convert after that will not be eligible to receive a 2021 MY vehicle. I've been wrong before in life, but that's my understanding.

Here’s my perspective just from what I’ve been able to glean from the forum.

It would also not make sense for Ford to deny a MY21 to someone just because they converted after the March date.

If they honestly get though all the conversions before that date, and they have MY21 capacity left, there’s no way they’re just going to sit idle with active Orders in the banks because the next build in line converted March 20th...

Assuming the next person is line isn’t a 99 waiting for MY22, Ford is obviously going to move to build theirs, even if the conversion was after March 19th.

Additionally, it seems that reservation time stamp would still trump everything. Consider how often Ford has stated you get to “keep your place in line” if holding out for a MY22 for instance. The way that would work is if timestamps (and not conversion dates) are what determines build order.

March 19th hits. They use that as a line in the sand to figure out build estimates and dealer allocations... but if a July reservation finally converts later on, based on what Ford has said, their build still goes to the front...

Applying all this logic to this situation, an October reservation that converts after March 19 would absolutely seem to be “safe” for the earliest possible build they’re entitled to.

$0.02

 

[DrewBronc21]

Will we even be able to order the Manual Sasquatch yet?

 

[Squatch]

I came to make a joke about poor Brandon needing a gofundme to help with his medical bill after being thrown under a bus.

Somehow, I read a few pages on probability that didn't take seriously the probable probability of what is a seriously improbable improbability.

The lowest conversion rates we have seen were ~50% and Ford said they could make about 30% of pre-Sep 19th.

Will we even be able to order the Manual Sasquatch yet?

Ford has to roll out the new WBDO for that.

 

[HoosierDaddy]

I wonder how many people are going to jam them up by switching on the 17th, 18th and 19th and expect a miracle?

 

[Used2jeep]

I came to make a joke about poor Brandon needing a gofundme to help with his medical bill after being thrown under a bus.

Somehow, I read a few pages on probability that didn't take seriously the probable probability of what is a seriously improbable improbability.

The lowest conversion rates we have seen were ~50% and Ford said they could make about 30% of pre-Sep 19th.



Ford has to roll out the new WBDO for that.

 

[GiveItaTri]

Sooo many squeaky wheels begging for grease!!

 

[SamR]

and this is why I am doing business 1300 miles away!
Bravo

Exactly. Not to mention when the guy 1300 miles away does a better job of updating you than most local dealers do...

 

[ZackDanger]

I wonder how many people are going to jam them up by switching on the 17th, 18th and 19th and expect a miracle?

[RANT]

I really don’t understand the people who are still “waiting to change my dealer” at this point...

Like, for the people who are still holding out, seriously, what new information could possibly be revealed in the next few weeks that could have any impact on your decision?

Only scenario I can think of would be the chance that the garbage dealer they’re currently reserved with might spontaneously announce that they’re surprise offering $3k below invoice for everyone who just sat tight and didn’t move their reservation to someone else.

Other than that... like... I’m having less and less sympathy for people who are being converted against their will by a dealer they weren’t happy with but haven’t transferred away from yet.

“There’s no rush... I have until March 19th to make my decision...”

WHAT COULD POSSIBLY HAPPEN BETWEEN NOW AND THEN THAT YOU DONT ALREADY KNOW?

[/RANT]

Phew. Thanks. I needed to get that off my chest.

 

[Karl_in_Chicago]

[RANT]

I really don’t understand the people who are still “waiting to change my dealer” at this point...

Like, for the people who are still holding out, seriously, what new information could possibly be revealed in the next few weeks that could have any impact on your decision?

Only scenario I can think of would be the chance that the garbage dealer they’re currently reserved with might spontaneously announce that they’re surprise offering $3k below invoice for everyone who just sat tight and didn’t move their reservation to someone else.

Other than that... like... I’m having less and less sympathy for people who are being converted against their will by a dealer they weren’t happy with but haven’t transferred away from yet.

“There’s no rush... I have until March 19th to make my decision...”

WHAT COULD POSSIBLY HAPPEN BETWEEN NOW AND THEN THAT YOU DONT ALREADY KNOW?

[/RANT]

Phew. Thanks. I needed to get that off my chest.

Because it's still a month out and I am trying to give my local dealer a chance. It's a very slim chance at this point. Because my reservation with them is late July and because the trim level and packages I want combined with that late date means I'm virtually guaranteed it's a MY 2022. Because I have a second "Grangetober" res made at the end of October that will probably end up being the one I convert to an order anyway (so *certainly* a MY 2022). But by giving my local dealer a chance they *may* surprise me but if, as expected, they disappoint I can at least communicate with them the reasons they won't be getting my business.

But, hey, rant away if it makes you feel better.

 

[Used2jeep]

Because it's still a month out and I am trying to give my local dealer a chance. It's a very slim chance at this point. Because my reservation with them is late July and because the trim level and packages I want combined with that late date means I'm virtually guaranteed it's a MY 2022. Because I have a second "Grangetober" res made at the end of October that will probably end up being the one I convert to an order anyway (so *certainly* a MY 2022). But by giving my local dealer a chance they *may* surprise me but if, as expected, they disappoint I can at least communicate with them the reasons they won't be getting my business.

But, hey, rant away if it makes you feel better.

If they have gone no distance in trying to make their current customers feel better then they aren't going to start now.

 

[dejones64]

Because it's still a month out and I am trying to give my local dealer a chance. It's a very slim chance at this point. Because my reservation with them is late July and because the trim level and packages I want combined with that late date means I'm virtually guaranteed it's a MY 2022. Because I have a second "Grangetober" res made at the end of October that will probably end up being the one I convert to an order anyway (so *certainly* a MY 2022). But by giving my local dealer a chance they *may* surprise me but if, as expected, they disappoint I can at least communicate with them the reasons they won't be getting my business.

But, hey, rant away if it makes you feel better.

I get that. I wanted to give my local dealers a chance too. But no communication, zero, nada, for 3 months. Then I called around to other local dealers. They didn't know much about the Bronco or wasn't sharing anything about pricing or # of reservations. That was enough to make me switch. GotItAtGranger!

 

[Wanted33]

good grief what if what if what if

I was always told, "If a frog had wings he wouldn't bump his butt every time it jumped". I'm like you, "what if's" are basically a waste of time. To opine on the unknown is useless, and the answer is never found.

 

[lrtexasman]

[RANT]

I really don’t understand the people who are still “waiting to change my dealer” at this point...

Like, for the people who are still holding out, seriously, what new information could possibly be revealed in the next few weeks that could have any impact on your decision?

Only scenario I can think of would be the chance that the garbage dealer they’re currently reserved with might spontaneously announce that they’re surprise offering $3k below invoice for everyone who just sat tight and didn’t move their reservation to someone else.

Other than that... like... I’m having less and less sympathy for people who are being converted against their will by a dealer they weren’t happy with but haven’t transferred away from yet.

“There’s no rush... I have until March 19th to make my decision...”

WHAT COULD POSSIBLY HAPPEN BETWEEN NOW AND THEN THAT YOU DONT ALREADY KNOW?

[/RANT]

Phew. Thanks. I needed to get that off my chest.

I think some people are waiting to see where the dust settles before leaving a deposit. Some people with reservations on day 3-5 will not get a MY21 from the certain dealers and they may be willing to pay the 2k extra to get their Bronco six months sooner at a local dealer where their reservation would make the initial allocation.

 

[RBF 1401]

After several days of putting up with my nitpicking, Albert @Granger Ford can go back to putting in orders for the rest of y'all.

Thank you Albert and Jamie. And thank you @Zach@Granger for keeping us informed and having such an awesome team.

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