Auto Start Stop Eliminator Freebie

[Jdyount]

So your conclusion is absolute huh? Just fact...

So while we're talking about unless things: You're out here selling a product claiming better performance blah blah blah, when really all that you're doing is changing the signal from the accelerator position sensor so the PCM thinks the pedal is being pressed harder than it is. Snake oil. Just stomp on the gas every time and you get the same result. You're actually giving the driver less control because by modifying the sensor's scale you're losing resolution (and you're not gaining max because that's set by the PCM).

Really any Bronco driver out there can just spend $50 and download Forscan to unlock Sport Mode and get the same result but better (because Ford can actually do things like adjust the boost and so on because they can program the PCM).

So let's just stop giving people advice about features and how useful they are when you're out here selling products that do nothing but cost people more money in fuel....

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[NotApplicable]

In some usage patterns, ASS saves a nontrivial amount of gas and reduces a nontrivial amount of emissions.

As with literally almost everything, it’s a spectrum. For other usage patterns, ASS saves a negligible amount of gas and reduces a negligible amount of emissions. Hell, I wouldn’t be surprised if the spectrum continues into the negative zone and actually costs some amount of gas and causes some amount of increase of emissions, in some usage patterns.

All that matters to Ford is that it saves a nontrivial amount of gas and reduces a nontrivial amount of emissions during the EPA test cycle.

You too may have a usage pattern that benefits meaningfully from the feature. Or, you may not. Simply collect the data based on your own driving, and determine if the resulting improvement (if any) outweighs the annoyance caused to you or the perceived (maybe without merit, who knows… def no one on this thread) increased wear caused to the vehicle.

Most importantly: manufacturers acknowledge and empower the consumer to make their own decision with respect to the above cost/benefit analysis by putting the switch there in the first place. But, they don’t allow one to save this preference. That’s bad UX and honestly a bit insulting to the user. “I see you explicitly signaled that you want your vehicle to behave one way. May we suggest re-trying the other way, that you know you hate, today and every day in the future? We insist…”

I wish they trusted me enough to not only save this preference, but configure the setting. Say, automatically stop and restart if I’m idling and stopped for more than 60 seconds (e.g. while waiting to board a Washington State Ferry or while completely stopped while a crash is cleared from the road).

 

[VIRUS]

Another painful read. Can't wait for my ride to arrive so I stop reading this stuff.
When it arrives, I will disable my ASS.

 

[Aman]

You couldn't be any more wrong about it being useless. In stop and go traffic it can save up to 5% in fuel usage. Personally I live in small town Kansas so it's not super useful but I definitely understand I'm not the only driver out there. Have you ever been on the freeway in LA at rush hour? I have, and if I had to drive there every day there is no doubt in my mind that it would save me hundreds of dollars a year.

It's pretty easy to work around anyway, all I have to do is slightly releive pressure on the brake or move the steering wheel and it starts back up. I can see when the other stop light starts changing and already have my Bronco running before I need to take off.

It's clear that you like the auto start/stop, but many people don't. This thread is showing those who don't a possible alternative. That really shouldn't bother you, right?

Also, please understand that saving "hundreds of dollars a year" on fuel costs is not a concern for every B6G member, so please try to incorporate that into your thinking.

 

[Jdyount]

Understanding that I'm further derailing this thread (and I do feel bad about that) but I do have to respond to your post.

Lol, I guess you saying your product makes no difference in MPG is technically true in a few cases:

1. When the Bronco's engine isn't running.
2. If the driver isn't pressing on the accelerator.

You see it's funny calling me a "troll who knows nothing" when you have no idea what I know.

Your product is connected in-line so all you really can do is modify that sensor's output. I imagine the accelerator sensor is just a simple analog sensor, probably has an output of 0-5v (output 0v when not pressed, 5v when floored). So what you're probably doing is proportionally scaling that signal (I doubt you're doing any programmable signal processing with the size of your product) so you're changing that output to be 0-10v or whatever. So at 25%, the PCM thinks the pedal is halfway down, at 50% the PCM thinks it's floored, and 50-100% does nothing additional because the output is already maxed.

About right?

Snake oil, just learn how to hammer the pedal if that's how you want your Bronco to run. Most people writing reviews don't understand how sensor output signals work.

 

[Jdyount]

It's clear that you like the auto start/stop, but many people don't. This thread is showing those who don't a possible alternative. That really shouldn't bother you, right?

Also, please understand that saving "hundreds of dollars a year" on fuel costs is not a concern for every B6G member, so please try to incorporate that into your thinking.

You're correct, the thread is about disabling ASS and my posts derail that a bit. That doesn't mean I'm not going to say something about blatantly inaccurate statements and saying it's a completely useless feature is not correct.

Back on topic, my advice is just buy an adapter and use Forscan. I disabled the ASS on my friend's F150 just today (because he didn't like how it worked). You don't have to worry about damaging anything in your dash or modifying your wiring.

 

[Jdyount]

I mean "No, I'm right, lol" kinda just hit me wrong I guess. Basically saying F-U instead of responding to my post. Probably overreacted bit.

In my defense, I didn't really ever attack you directly (other than to say you're selling a useless product), while you did call me a troll who doesn't know anything and a pig who would rather complain than learn. I shouldn't have let any of it get to me, I'll definitely work on doing a better job at that.

 

[Aman]

You're correct, the thread is about disabling ASS and my posts derail that a bit. That doesn't mean I'm not going to say something about blatantly inaccurate statements and saying it's a completely useless feature is not correct.

Back on topic, my advice is just buy an adapter and use Forscan. I disabled the ASS on my friend's F150 just today (because he didn't like how it worked). You don't have to worry about damaging anything in your dash or modifying your wiring.

I have FORScan, wired and wireless adapters, and know how to use it. I do not like the options available in FORScan to disable ASS, so I chose to use the ASS Eliminator because IMO it's a better solution.

The point of this thread is that you may be able to disable it with the simple use of a jumper, but it's been derailed by a number of people.

I think we should get back to the main topic.

 

[Jdyount]

I have FORScan, wired and wireless adapters, and know how to use it. I do not like the options available in FORScan to disable ASS, so I chose to use the ASS Eliminator because IMO it's a better solution.

The point of this thread is that you may be able to disable it with the simple use of a jumper, but it's been derailed by a number of people.

I think we should get back to the main topic.

Ya, kinda what I was doing. IMO Forscan is the best solution. While the jumper may work, probably what the eliminator does anyway, you're taking the chance of making a mistake with the jumper and causing an issue. I wouldn't advise doing that, especially not to the average person in the forum. (Not that you can't make a mistake with Forscan).

 

[MikeyFrog]

My first car was a 1956 Ford, straight 6, 3 speed manual, one barrel carb, oil bath air cleaner, with a 6 (YES SIX) VOLT battery and starter system. Getting it to start reliably was nothing short of a miracle….. Didn’t have ASS, but I did use HAS (Hill Assist Start) many times.

Hahaha, had to use HAS on my 2000 mustang a few months ago because the starter crapped out after I pulled it out of the garage to get into the attic. Still need to do the starter but my wife was blown away as I popped the clutch rolling down our street. Thankfully we live on a slight hill!

For the ASS, ford's is better than ones I've driven before but it still annoys me. I put the ASS eliminator in because it's like a memory module. I can have it in either mode when I want and the car won't forget in between uses. For that, it as worth it to me.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

All that matters to Ford is that it saves a nontrivial amount of gas and reduces a nontrivial amount of emissions during the EPA test cycle.

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Most importantly: manufacturers acknowledge and empower the consumer to make their own decision with respect to the above cost/benefit analysis by putting the switch there in the first place. But, they don’t allow one to save this preference. That’s bad UX and honestly a bit insulting to the user. “I see you explicitly signaled that you want your vehicle to behave one way. May we suggest re-trying the other way, that you know you hate, today and every day in the future? We insist…”

I would have to call solid digestive waste from a male bovine on any claim that the fuel or emissions saving from ASS are “nontrivial” in any normal circumstances.

I think that ASS has nothing whatsoever to do with any determination on Ford's (or any other vehicle manufacturer's) part with regard to what makes the vehicle best for the end-user; and everything to do with undue regulatory pressure to do everything to achieve even meaningless improvements in these areas, without regard to the impact on the customer.

 

[OkieB6G]

It all comes back to controlling your vehicle instead of it controlling you. I want to DRIVE my ride, not be driven by it.

Strongly agree. I've got a 2010 coupe right now that doesn't have any of the new safety features. Hell, doesn't even have a backup camera - those didn't become mandatory until a year or two after I bought it. As a result, I'm a better driver than a lot of folks on the road because I have to be. I drive my car, it does not make any decisions for me. I always know what's going on with it, because nothing is automatic and I make every decision. I love it.

I've got a 2022 Edge on loan right now while my Bronco's having some modifications done, and I hate all the extra "features" that take control away from me. I get that some less-aware drivers need those features, but I'm a very alert driver and I do not. They slow me down. I'll definitely be finding a way to disable overly "car brain" things I don't like... including the auto start/stop. Just very glad the Bronco still has knobs for heat/AC, because this Edge doesn't and it's killing me a little inside every time I have to fiddle with the touch screen to try to turn shit up or down while driving

 

[66GT]

In some usage patterns, ASS saves a nontrivial amount of gas and reduces a nontrivial amount of emissions.

As with literally almost everything, it’s a spectrum. For other usage patterns, ASS saves a negligible amount of gas and reduces a negligible amount of emissions. Hell, I wouldn’t be surprised if the spectrum continues into the negative zone and actually costs some amount of gas and causes some amount of increase of emissions, in some usage patterns.

All that matters to Ford is that it saves a nontrivial amount of gas and reduces a nontrivial amount of emissions during the EPA test cycle.

You too may have a usage pattern that benefits meaningfully from the feature. Or, you may not. Simply collect the data based on your own driving, and determine if the resulting improvement (if any) outweighs the annoyance caused to you or the perceived (maybe without merit, who knows… def no one on this thread) increased wear caused to the vehicle.

Most importantly: manufacturers acknowledge and empower the consumer to make their own decision with respect to the above cost/benefit analysis by putting the switch there in the first place. But, they don’t allow one to save this preference. That’s bad UX and honestly a bit insulting to the user. “I see you explicitly signaled that you want your vehicle to behave one way. May we suggest re-trying the other way, that you know you hate, today and every day in the future? We insist…”

I wish they trusted me enough to not only save this preference, but configure the setting. Say, automatically stop and restart if I’m idling and stopped for more than 60 seconds (e.g. while waiting to board a Washington State Ferry or while completely stopped while a crash is cleared from the road).

I wonder if it came with ASS disabled... how many of you would go to the trouble to enable it every time?

... and I think we've heard from all 3 people on this forum that actually like this kind of ASS. Thanks for your input... but I'm not convinced.

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