ADV Production Modular Hardtop!

[Tooold]

Not defending ADV in any way, but for months they were offering refunds. I got mine back with no issues at the end of April. But if 50% of the money went to invoices to APG… APG should be handing money back too… but nope. ADV at least gave some of the money back, but I haven’t heard of APG doing anything. Well s*** we didn’t even know APG was the one responsible for sourcing the manufacturing until a few days ago.

Yes. APG and ADV both got paid according to their deal (I assume). Sounds like ADV threw their hands up after APG didn't deliver the product. ADV is trying to point this out to their customers by posting the lawsuit. (NOT SAYING THAT EXCUSES ADV).

APG keeps posturing threw LB and their "statement" that they are still planning on releasing the top once it's ready. I assume they can't say when because it's a real S@%! Show they're faced with.

We can only hope that APG is planing on doing the right thing. RIGHT @APG ? I mean if a manufaturing company got the money owed from their distributor...why wouldn't they be obligated to deliver the product? Especially if they're actually are able to produce and sell it directly to their new customers.

Yeah, sure if ADV is out of the picture, APG will have the burden of individually shipping each top directly to the end user, but hey, they certainly would do everything possible to make things right? If these logistics are just to complicated for them, I'm sure they are willing to reimburse customers out of the 4.4 million dollars the received.

@APG, your customers are eagerly waiting to hear about what you're planning to do. ASSUMING you really did benefit to the tune of 4.4 million dollars collected from them.
Thanks in advance for making things right! The Bronco community will certainly remember it.

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[PhilCharnas]

Not defending ADV in any way, but for months they were offering refunds. I got mine back with no issues at the end of April. But if 50% of the money went to invoices to APG… APG should be handing money back too… but nope. ADV at least gave some of the money back, but I haven’t heard of APG doing anything. Well s*** we didn’t even know APG was the one responsible for sourcing the manufacturing until a few days ago.

This.

APG is trying hard to put distance between itself and the customers that have been funding whatever development and production it’s been engaged in. “Oh, it’s not us, it’s ADV that took your money. We don’t know anything despite our close partnership, contractual agreement, and use of ADV as an exclusive distributor for our tops.”

ADV made several bad business decisions and eroded all customer trust by providing bullshit excuses for over a year that all reasonable and objective people saw through. I think when the whole truth is finally exposed, however, APG will be equally or more culpable than ADV.

 

[Elonmsk]

Millions of dollars in tooling……


Either that makes sense, or you’re new here.

 

[pakrat]

This.

APG is trying hard to put distance between itself and the customers that have been funding whatever development and production it’s been engaged in. “Oh, it’s not us, it’s ADV that took your money. We don’t know anything despite our close partnership, contractual agreement, and use of ADV as an exclusive distributor for our tops.”

ADV made several bad business decisions and eroded all customer trust by providing bullshit excuses for over a year that all reasonable and objective people saw through. I think when the whole truth is finally exposed, however, APG will be equally or more culpable than ADV.

Exactly.

It sure looks like ADV simply ran out of money to refund with and APG wasn't going to help with the refund funding with the money fronted them by ADV. I mean if they sold 1200 some units ADV would have run out of money refunding at around half that number. Total speculation of course but ADV had to throw in the towel.

They probably could have pulled this off if APG had kicked some back to keep the refund train going for another month or so IF they can actually produce a top in Sept. That's customer money and they are gonna have to pay with a top or money. Better get producing @APG. Both of them are complete piles in equal amounts.

 

[BOLD Renegade93]

Millions of dollars in tooling……


Either that makes sense, or you’re new here.

 

[Triguy914]

am I the only one that thinks that a youtuber for offroad gear/ lifestyle has to make $ from having an OF account for his wife/ costar?

Sorta says this is a failure over here, if i have to make $ over there.. Does he put her on a sugardaddy site next and start pimping her?

 

[vrtical]

 

[HotdogThud]

Millions of dollars in tooling……


Either that makes sense, or you’re new here.

Definitely some tools involved, yes.

 

[huey]

 

[DriveAllNight]

am I the only one that thinks that a youtuber for offroad gear/ lifestyle has to make $ from having an OF account for his wife/ costar?

Yes, yes you are.
Celebrities make money through multiple income streams not just one, acting, modeling, singing, spokesperson, clothes line, perfume, and on and on.

Google up the list of famous actresses who posed in playboy. It's another income stream, and a very lucrative one at that. Only Fans is the new version, but the concept has been around a long time.

Not sure what 1950's chauvinist world you live in, but I'm pretty sure Brittany makes the decision to model nude and is not being told to do so by her husband. You know, that whole equality thing.

 

[j_marinelli]

All I can say is my Only Fans business isn't doing as good as I thought

Spoiler: My OF

Back on topic, ADV is doing a heck of a job keeping their google reviews on lock down. APG on the other hand hasn't really tried to have google delete the reviews.

 

[Toccoa]

Yes, yes you are.
Celebrities make money through multiple income streams not just one, acting, modeling, singing, spokesperson, clothes line, perfume, and on and on.

Google up the list of famous actresses who posed in playboy. It's another income stream, and a very lucrative one at that. Only Fans is the new version, but the concept has been around a long time.

Not sure what 1950's chauvinist world you live in, but I'm pretty sure Brittany makes the decision to model nude and is not being told to do so by her husband. You know, that whole equality thing.

I know you meant well, but...

 

[SierraBronco]

All I can say is my Only Fans business isn't doing as good as I thought

Spoiler: My OF

Back on topic, ADV is doing a heck of a job keeping their google reviews on lock down. APG on the other hand hasn't really tried to have google delete the reviews.

Not deleting reviews, but they did delete their own posts on this forum directing customers to preorder through ADV

I guess reviews can’t be held against them in court

 

[2023bronco]

Anybody catch All Terrain Nation, which broke (not) this story, say that LiteBrite/Kevin told them to lay off APG?

I'm tellin' ya, LiteBrite has a relationship with APG. Take anything @LiteBrite says with a grain (pile) of salt. Wouldn't be surprised if they find themselves in a deposition in the lawsuit about what they knew.

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