ADV Production Modular Hardtop!

[redone17]

That post looks sketchy as all out. Misspelled words, bad sentence structure, and most notably no picture of the ACTUAL TOP. If it's still in the crate, take a pic of it and add it to the post.

Scammers look on these forums just as users, see what's hot and what could pass as a high-value item, and here ya go.

If the ad is real, he should have no issues selling it.

I am pretty sure the seller posted on this forum too...

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[GroovyGeek]

They can do an EFT or something along those lines, but they require your blood type, SIN, and your mother's maiden name. </s>

Just offer them a DNA donation

 

[PhilCharnas]

That post looks sketchy as all out. Misspelled words, bad sentence structure, and most notably no picture of the ACTUAL TOP. If it's still in the crate, take a pic of it and add it to the post.

Scammers look on these forums just as users, see what's hot and what could pass as a high-value item, and here ya go.

If the ad is real, he should have no issues selling it.

Looks a lot like all those scam Facebook Bronco group posts…

 

[PhilCharnas]

Found someone on CL selling their AC top here. So I guess AC indeed ship out their top.

https://orangecounty.craigslist.org/pts/d/huntington-beach-door-bronco-hardtop/7686590880.html

While this ad may be a scam, Anderson is definitely shipping tops to customers. I ordered mine thru BMC and BMC alone has already shipped 11 AC tops. The guy at BMC told me he has been shipping 1-2 per month on average.

 

[Fordmanfrombirth]

Will you still look forward to receiving it in June?

I will see what happens in January.

 

[Kjbeggs]

How many people got an email from ADV this week stating their top would be delayed until January?
I've seen a few people post about getting one, but I haven't heard a thing from them.
Just curious if this was supposed to go out to all who have ordered.

 

[CTwaterfowler]

How many people got an email from ADV this week stating their top would be delayed until January?
I've seen a few people post about getting one, but I haven't heard a thing from them.
Just curious if this was supposed to go out to all who have ordered.

Nope, nothing yet. But remember. What is the definition of next week.
Last week. This is next week, however this week , next week is next week.
Yada,Yada and Yada.
I have a feeling your prediction of June is closer than January.
2nd
Anniversary Of order is coming up in Feb.
Also they had a nice presentation at the auto show.
I hope they fixed the labor issue

 

[Rd1103]

I did see an email response they sent on this thread to someone, and they mentioned the intent to send an email update to everyone this week. Any responses from ADV posted on this thread were solicited.

The lack of organic transparency is a problem for all of us. That post they sent awhile back was before the new "flavor of the week" issue of labor.

If they bump us one more time, I'm out. The only reason I'm still here is at this rate, if you leave now and get one from Turn Offroad, you'd probably get either one around the same time (assuming ADV actually follows through here.)

 

[userdude]

I know not a lot of slack is being cut now, but I'll point out that a few months ago the problem was getting better equipment to deal with production issues (I think it was injection molding equipment?). The labor issue now may be that they have this new equipment, but not enough (or anyone) trained in how to operate it. Which also can explain why they continue producing other products. Just sayin'.

 

[Rd1103]

I know not a lot of slack is being cut now, but I'll point out that a few months ago the problem was getting better equipment to deal with production issues (I think it was injection molding equipment?). The labor issue now may be that they have this new equipment, but not enough (or anyone) trained in how to operate it. Which also can explain why they continue producing other products. Just sayin'.

If that's true tho, why not anticipate that issue and communicate it to your customers (either deliberately, or when asked?)

It's clear that this launch was, and continues to be mishandled. At the very least at this point, bi-weekly updates should be given to customers that have been waiting for over a year.

Most of us lived this with the Broncos sitting in lots, delays in delivery, etc. We had the luxury of the product coming from a huge company with a lot of stakes on the line to deliver these vehicles (and only $100-$500 deposits) and we STILL got more communication than this.

@ADV Fiberglass work the problem, put more resources into it, and communicate with your customers regularly before the hardtop market passes you by.....

 

[userdude]

If that's true tho, why not anticipate that issue and communicate it to your customers (either deliberately, or when asked?)

It's clear that this launch was, and continues to be mishandled. At the very least at this point, bi-weekly updates should be given to customers that have been waiting for over a year.

Most of us lived this with the Broncos sitting in lots, delays in delivery, etc. We had the luxury of the product coming from a huge company with a lot of stakes on the line to deliver these vehicles (and only $100-$500 deposits) and we STILL got more communication than this.

@ADV Fiberglass work the problem, put more resources into it, and communicate with your customers regularly before the hardtop market passes you by.....

No doubt. Mismanagement is different than fraud, though, and happens much more often.

I used to work for a larg(ish) university, where I had to sit in meetings about facilities being built. We were in the early stages of building a large football complex, so we had meetings with other large universities. One of them was a (college football) top 10 private university you've heard of, who told us the biggest risk is having someone managing the project who isn't focused on that project and/or experienced enough.

They told the story of hiring a big construction firm based on an agreement they'd have the guy who built several other (successful) big buildings for them building their stadium. He of course was "over" the project... and 5-6 others throughout the state (Texas is large, if you're not aware).

They had numerous issues, mostly based on the on-site manager being his first big project and the other guy was too busy to pay close attention. Eventually that guy got demoted and the guy they wanted rode to the rescue.

People fail and it's not a personal affront for that to happen. Sometimes talented people get in over their head or something doesn't work out. So far this reasons less as fraud than just an inability to get the process into production in a timely manner. Only time will tell how that plays out.

 

[pakrat]

I gave them so many opportunities to keep me as a customer. I asked publicly here on 6g for a solid reason to not request a refund. Asked via email. Even as I was requesting my refund, stating I want to be a customer and I love the potential, can you give me a reason to not request a refund and hold on until January such as a picture of tops being assembled, inventory at the shop, something like "we have X number of tops ready and will start shipping after the holidays, anything. I told them I didn't want to cancel but nothing in response to give me any further encouragement. I can't for the life of me understand the lack of communication with customers who trusted them with $6k minimum almost 2 yrs ago. It started to feel real creepy when they missed Aug/September, worse for October, and the last straw was Nov. being missed. When it felt like lending your dirtbag cousin money and you asked 4-5 times for payback and still nothing except they ask for more, that's when I jumped.

The pricing for the TO top is also a big factor. It is significantly less. Doesn't seem like ADV has much room to raise prices. Heck, you can order a Ursa Minor top for the same price as an ADV.

 

[Kjbeggs]

I know not a lot of slack is being cut now, but I'll point out that a few months ago the problem was getting better equipment to deal with production issues (I think it was injection molding equipment?). The labor issue now may be that they have this new equipment, but not enough (or anyone) trained in how to operate it. Which also can explain why they continue producing other products. Just sayin'.

Months back, they told us all they were waiting for was the rubber gaskets, before FINAL assembly could be completed. Then, six months ago (on Star Wars Day), the infamous rubber arrived and "FINAL ASSEMBLY" was begun.
All this gave the impression that they had stacks of Hard top panels fully built/tested and ready to have gaskets applied, then shipped.
Apparently that was NOT the case. (I've asked many times why these "quality" issues were not discovered/rectified months ago while they were sitting on their hands waiting on shipments of rubber, but never got an answer).
My assumption is, since they didn't have the rubber to complete/ship Hardtops, they just focused on manufacturing Fenders, Hoods, etc. and figured they'd crank out some Hard top panels once the rubber arrived (Again, this is absolutely not what I'd consider "Final Asembly").

All conjecture on my part though, since I can't get a straight answer from anyone.

Let's say I'm going to sell you a wooden box;
I've got a tree that I can cut down and plane into boards to construct the box.
I don't have the screws to hold the boards together.
If I prepare the boards, cut them to size, verify their quality and plan exactly how to put them together, they are ready for "final assembly' when the screws arrive.
If I've still just got a tree growing in the yard, that's a different story...

 

[userdude]

I gave them so many opportunities to keep me as a customer. I asked publicly here on 6g for a solid reason to not request a refund. Asked via email. Even as I was requesting my refund, stating I want to be a customer and I love the potential, can you give me a reason to not request a refund and hold on until January such as a picture of tops being assembled, inventory at the shop, something like "we have X number of tops ready and will start shipping after the holidays, anything. I told them I didn't want to cancel but nothing in response to give me any further encouragement. I can't for the life of me understand the lack of communication with customers who trusted them with $6k minimum almost 2 yrs ago. It started to feel real creepy when they missed Aug/September, worse for October, and the last straw was Nov. being missed. When it felt like lending your dirtbag cousin money and you asked 4-5 times for payback and still nothing except they ask for more, that's when I jumped.

The pricing for the TO top is also a big factor. It is significantly less. Doesn't seem like ADV has much room to raise prices. Heck, you can order a Ursa Minor top for the same price as an ADV.

More like you gave money to your brainy but odd third cousin to build you a complicated computer, and two years later you still haven't gotten the computer. The cousin gives you your money back when you ask, because they aren't a dirtbag and y'know, they're probably tired of not getting it done too.

Months back, they told us all they were waiting for was the rubber gaskets, before FINAL assembly could be completed. Then, six months ago (on Star Wars Day), the infamous rubber arrived and "FINAL ASSEMBLY" was begun.
All this gave the impression that they had stacks of Hard top panels fully built/tested and ready to have gaskets applied, then shipped.
Apparently that was NOT the case. (I've asked many times why these "quality" issues were not discovered/rectified months ago while they were sitting on their hands waiting on shipments of rubber, but never got an answer).
My assumption is, since they didn't have the rubber to complete/ship Hardtops, they just focused on manufacturing Fenders, Hoods, etc. and figured they'd crank out some Hard top panels once the rubber arrived (Again, this is absolutely not what I'd consider "Final Asembly").

All conjecture on my part though, since I can't get a straight answer from anyone.

Let's say I'm going to sell you a wooden box;
I've got a tree that I can cut down and plane into boards to construct the box.
I don't have the screws to hold the boards together.
If I prepare the boards, cut them to size, verify their quality and plan exactly how to put them together, they are ready for "final assembly' when the screws arrive.
If I've still just got a tree growing in the yard, that's a different story...

I would put it more like, cut the trees down, got everything lined up, then came in to find out the wooden sides are splitting when it's hot and dry and wet and cold. Those'll have to be thrown out and some replacement found.

I haven't given my money (more than a little!) and gotten nothing for it. I did do a sleep test once that cost me $4k out of pocket and that literally came to nothing, and yeah I didn't get that back. Since they're refunding the cash without issue, those who are left and still agitated and affronted seem to trying to bully a top out of them. I would advise get your money back and walk away. There are better things to spend your time on.

 

[CM22]

While this ad may be a scam, Anderson is definitely shipping tops to customers. I ordered mine thru BMC and BMC alone has already shipped 11 AC tops. The guy at BMC told me he has been shipping 1-2 per month on average.

I got my AC top from BMC back in April.

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