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Whoa... Hope you're not implying it was me!

It just started after the Raptor reveal... I think he's still out there... Watching... Waiting...

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Ha! The truth is out there, indeed! o_O

We know you've kidnapped @D2dhanover. 🤨

Where are you holding him, and what are your demands? ;)
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For folks who can't understand why a company wouldn't just provide for all MODES to all Broncos: it's clear that you don't work in software. That's the entire business model for software: tier capability based on access. Create real (artificial?) levels of functionality all based within the same core code. Then just enable permissions accordingly. That's what Ford did. In this case, permissions is just another word for the BRONCO TRIM you just bought.
 

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Nothing more than a SGW “security gateway” there will be a bypass available soon enough. Same thing happened with FCA “jeeps” tazer jl came out with a bypass. Ford has likely put the PCM and IPC on lockdown, you can read, editing is just in the software. Writing is where the gateway blocks you. Ford blocked your forskin penetration. 🤣
 

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I just had a recall performed on my 2018 F250 to reprogram the pcm about a week ago. My Edge Insight CTS2 (monitoring capabilities only) can no longer communicate with the vehicle. It worked flawlessly until the recall was done. I’ve updated the firmware via Edge‘s online support but it still can’t communicate. I haven’t tried Forscan on my truck since the pcm reflash but I’m wondering if it will have issues writing to it now. I’ll hook up to it one day this week and see…I’m wondering if Ford is starting to lockdown access to their modules across the board?

I took delivery of my 2022 Bronco Badlands a week ago and haven’t tried changing anything with Forscan yet. Hopefully someone will figure it out soon.
 

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For folks who can't understand why a company wouldn't just provide for all MODES to all Broncos: it's clear that you don't work in software. That's the entire business model for software: tier capability based on access. Create real (artificial?) levels of functionality all based within the same core code. Then just enable permissions accordingly. That's what Ford did. In this case, permissions is just another word for the BRONCO TRIM you just bought.
This is a false equivalency. Your example assumes you can purchase access to the functionality you want. If you bought an FE or loaded BL, then you paid for everything, but are missing Sport mode and have no recourse other than FORScan.
 

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This is a false equivalency. Your example assumes you can purchase access to the functionality you want. If you bought an FE or loaded BL, then you paid for everything, but are missing Sport mode and have no recourse other than FORScan.
And you knew this when you chose to purchase it. We ALL knew what trims came with what modes.
 
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Like I said, I haven’t/wouldn’t lose any sleep either way, but software and firmware and purchased capability has a monetary value as well as hardware.
I would relate some uses of Forscan to hackers……let’s say someone buys a premium subscription with Dish TV and with that subscription they get 250 channels and a cable box for $180 per month. Let’s say another Dish customer purchases a basic pkg with the same box but only 75 channels for $49 per month. If someone were to come along and hack the code to the additional 175 premium channels, and allow those that only paid $49 to access those channels is that fair? Are the persons that paid $180 per month for what others are getting for $49 not harmed? Is dish not being harmed? I certainly wouldn’t blame dish if they were to shut that scam down and force people pay for the premium service they are using.
Now, if someone wants to use Forscan to change their dash light colors or eliminate double nanny horns then that’s a different story.
Bad analogy as I have the option of upgrading my package if I want all the channels. Going to a Wildtrak just for Sport mode isn't an upgrade over a Badlands.
 

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Bad analogy as I have the option of upgrading my package if I want all the channels. Going to a Wildtrak just for Sport mode isn't an upgrade over a Badlands.
It’s certainly a better analogy than…..since activating the capability requires software/firmware and no hardware then you’re entitled to it without paying for it. It’s Ford’s property and they have their reasons as to why they don’t include every GOAT mode an every trim (I suspect financial) and if they wanted BL and FE have Sport Mode or WT to have RC capability then they would have added it. Now, if they don’t protect it adequately and people are able to acquire whatever mode they want thru Forscan, well then, let your conscience be your guide I say. But it’s a little rich IMO to bitch about something no longer being available that you didn’t pay for and weren’t entitled to in the first place. We all have decisions to make and sometimes you just don’t get everything you want.
 

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And you knew this when you chose to purchase it. We ALL knew what trims came with what modes.
Agreed and I am not planning on adding Sport mode to my Badlands. Between the 7MT and the Sprint Booster I think I'll be just peachy.

Part of my frustration is that limiting the number of modes was likely a marketing decision and it's silly that the top trim can't get it.

I do want to be able to disable silly things like the double honk, which we still have the ability to do. However, Ford cracking down one avenue of access for FORScan is telling that they may lock down more later. The software engineer in me would want to patch any and all vulnerabilities, but the customer in me wants to be free to mod away.
 
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It’s certainly a better analogy than…..since activating the capability requires software/firmware and no hardware then you’re entitled to it without paying for it. It’s Ford’s property and they have their reasons as to why they don’t include every GOAT mode an every trim (I suspect financial) and if they wanted BL and FE have Sport Mode or WT to have RC capability then they would have added it. Now, if they don’t protect it adequately and people are able to acquire whatever mode they want thru Forscan, well then, let your conscience be your guide I say. But it’s a little rich IMO to bitch about something no longer being available that you didn’t pay for and weren’t entitled to in the first place. We all have decisions to make and sometimes you just don’t get everything you want.
It's also a little childish to lock people out of something that you previously were allowing them access to. There's little reason to lock people out of the modules (for a number of reasons) that they have been able to customize for their particular application.

The "Bronco Ethos" is supposed to be one where customization is encouraged (right down the the "lift me baby" in the wheel wells and accessory ready points throughout the vehicle). It would have been nice had the OBD-II port been printed with the lettering "FORSCAN me".

Ford certainly can attempt to lock everything down, but I promise you that some people will find a way to get around it. Technology always defeats the rules. So why would Ford engage in the extra expense of locking down something that will be hacked?

Ford certainly had the right idea by allowing this and other functionality to be accessed via FORSCAN, it makes the Bronco different and better than the competition. Most people won't even mess with FORSCAN, but those who will are likely to be the best advocated of the brand because of the flexibility and capability they have thanks to an open interface. It isn't like Ford was unaware of FORSCAN from the start.
 

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It's also a little childish to lock people out of something that you previously were allowing them access to. There's little reason to lock people out of the modules (for a number of reasons) that they have been able to customize for their particular application.

The "Bronco Ethos" is supposed to be one where customization is encouraged (right down the the "lift me baby" in the wheel wells and accessory ready points throughout the vehicle). It would have been nice had the OBD-II port been printed with the lettering "FORSCAN me".

Ford certainly can attempt to lock everything down, but I promise you that some people will find a way to get around it. Technology always defeats the rules. So why would Ford engage in the extra expense of locking down something that will be hacked?

Ford certainly had the right idea by allowing this and other functionality to be accessed via FORSCAN, it makes the Bronco different and better than the competition. Most people won't even mess with FORSCAN, but those who will are likely to be the best advocated of the brand because of the flexibility and capability they have thanks to an open interface. It isn't like Ford was unaware of FORSCAN from the start.
Let’s just say I disagree completely and stand by my previous post, but care too much too little to launch a wordy rebuttal to your nonsensical and irrational response. You’re right about one thing……where there’s a will there’s a way and someone will find a way around it again……because entitlement is a powerful motivator.
 

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Let’s just say I disagree completely and stand by my previous post, but care too much too little to launch a wordy rebuttal to your nonsensical and irrational response. You’re right about one thing……where there’s a will there’s a way and someone will find a way around it again……because entitlement is a powerful motivator.
You disagree completely that Ford leaving this open was a positive thing?!?

You think that Ford should have never allowed the end user to customize the vehicle through the OBD-II interface?

Umm, okay, if that's how you feel, I am glad that you weren't the one in charge of the Bronco development and production. I'm going to guess that you are a big fan of shrink-wrap licenses too.
 

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You disagree completely that Ford leaving this open was a positive thing?!?

You think that Ford should have never allowed the end user to customize the vehicle through the OBD-II interface?

Umm, okay, if that's how you feel, I am glad that you weren't the one in charge of the Bronco development and production. I'm going to guess that you are a big fan of shrink-wrap licenses too.
If it’s used to add capabilities and features that others have paid for then no. And if the owner of the proprietary code determines they don’t want to give it away for free, then I respect their decision. Finding a way around it after Ford has shut it down is stealing. So, as I said……let your conscience be your guide. And I guess if you bought an IPhone and can figure out a way to access all their content (music/Movies, etc.,) like some 2-bit freeloader, then have at it, but don’t have the nerve to whine about it when Apple discovers the unauthorized access and shuts it down.
 

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It's also a little childish to lock people out of something that you previously were allowing them access to. There's little reason to lock people out of the modules (for a number of reasons) that they have been able to customize for their particular application.

The "Bronco Ethos" is supposed to be one where customization is encouraged (right down the the "lift me baby" in the wheel wells and accessory ready points throughout the vehicle). It would have been nice had the OBD-II port been printed with the lettering "FORSCAN me".

Ford certainly can attempt to lock everything down, but I promise you that some people will find a way to get around it. Technology always defeats the rules. So why would Ford engage in the extra expense of locking down something that will be hacked?

Ford certainly had the right idea by allowing this and other functionality to be accessed via FORSCAN, it makes the Bronco different and better than the competition. Most people won't even mess with FORSCAN, but those who will are likely to be the best advocated of the brand because of the flexibility and capability they have thanks to an open interface. It isn't like Ford was unaware of FORSCAN from the start.
When you purchase the Bronco do you not own all parts of that vehicle? If I want to turn it into a spaceship and fly to the moon then that is my property to modify. If software is apart of the vehicle purchased you as the owner should be able to modify it. If it voids the warrantee is a different question.
 

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This is a false equivalency. Your example assumes you can purchase access to the functionality you want. If you bought an FE or loaded BL, then you paid for everything, but are missing Sport mode and have no recourse other than FORScan.
Actually, my example does not assume you can purchase access to any functionality you want. That's up to Ford to decide...and Ford decided that Badlands owners will not get Sport mode. I own a Badlands but I didn't pay for Sport mode. I should not be afforded and other recourse, I simply don't get Sport mode. If you use the free version of Spotify, are you entitled to 'break-in' and get the Premium version? I would suggest that Spotify would say NO. I guarantee that the source code for Premium is contained within the source code for the Free version.

All of this said, I still want Sport mode. LOL!
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