488whp out of a bone stock 3.0l on pump gas is insane. Nicely done! Now when do we get to see a 1/4 mile drag
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I disagree. If a company has a good product and or service, in a market with need, it can and will sell. A description of a result doesn't have to give away important hard earned capabilities or perhaps "secrets". I'm reasonably sure this information can't be patented nor trademarked. If other competitors develop the same capabilities and results then prices will naturally drop and this is inevitable in the tuning domain.Not sure a public forum is the best place for this IMO. Most companies don't post their proprietary information for everyone to see. Maybe a private message or phone call would be better suited. Just my opinion
Assuming the dyno is accurate and representative, it will cut it down 1.5 sec. and thus will be about 13 flat. A chance to break into 12.x.488whp out of a bone stock 3.0l on pump gas is insane. Nicely done! Now when do we get to see a 1/4 mile drag
I disagree. If a company has a good product and or service, in a market with need, it can and will sell. A description of a result doesn't have to give away important hard earned capabilities or perhaps "secrets". I'm reasonably sure this information can't be patented nor trademarked. If other competitors develop the same capabilities and results then prices will naturally drop and this is inevitable in the tuning domain.
The plethora of tuners out there all know most of the basics for engine tuning, NA and FI. There just isn't much secret or proprietary. Sure some tuners like ZFG are demonstrably better and faster and are great at pushing the envelope.
Functionally speaking trans mods have more inputs and outputs from the user experience, as power (dyno results) is ultimately just one smooth curve vs rpm. Sure there is also part throttle responses and turbo lag, but regardless the end results are simple - peaks and shapes chsnge. For the reasons and questions I outlined prior, transmissions have more potential changes - every up shift and downshift combo and multiple modes, up and down hill behavior, WOT and part throttle behavior, shift times and firmness, braking triggers, etc.. Inquiring minds want to know!
Thus there is no reason vendors shouldn't be willing to share a similar level of information about trans software. Again results NOT methodologies/techniques.
Great stuff and already way more than I asked for and more than I expected. Thank you. I have no doubt you guys are leaders and innovators, engine and trans.I'm sorry but I'm not going to describe what modification I to the make to transmission tuning in detail in a public forum. For one its a trade secret for 2 it's to complicated. there is no "turn up the line pressure" the 10 speed consist of thousands of tables that control every shift. It takes a combination of modifying pressures, adaptive closed loop characteristics open loop shift characteristics, clutch timing, phase durations, torque reduction, torque reduction timing, TCC slip, open loop shift characteristics, shift schedules etc. in total there are 393 tables that currently get modified on the transmission side in the bronco 10 speed.
We have some of the best 10 speed trans tuning in the industry. For example on some of our explorer ST and f150 Ecoboost shifting in down around 110-120ms for the gear change with a total torque reduction time of 140-160 ms. We are also the only company to keep a stock transmission intact while running a 10 second 1/4 mile. I've been doing 10 speed since they came out and I have learned a ton over the years.
You arent kidding. As I've said in other threads, I came from the coyote tuning world and am intimately familiar with the 10R80 trans tuning in the S550 platform. There are more than 1,000 tables in the coyote trans section that can be changed. If you use HP Tuners to make a template of just the trans tab, it has to be three separate templates because two of the tabs cap out the 1000 table limit. So when I make a complete trans side tune, its three templates. Then you have engine side tq management settings for pedal demand and so on. These Fords are a HUGE pain in the ass to tune and make them both fast and drive nice slowly.I'm sorry but I'm not going to describe what modification I to the make to transmission tuning in detail in a public forum. For one its a trade secret for 2 it's to complicated. there is no "turn up the line pressure" the 10 speed consist of thousands of tables that control every shift. It takes a combination of modifying pressures, adaptive closed loop characteristics open loop shift characteristics, clutch timing, phase durations, torque reduction, torque reduction timing, TCC slip, open loop shift characteristics, shift schedules etc. in total there are 393 tables that currently get modified on the transmission side in the bronco 10 speed.
We have some of the best 10 speed trans tuning in the industry. For example on some of our explorer ST and f150 Ecoboost shifting in down around 110-120ms for the gear change with a total torque reduction time of 140-160 ms. We are also the only company to keep a stock transmission intact while running a 10 second 1/4 mile. I've been doing 10 speed since they came out and I have learned a ton over the years.
good examples
How it can change from drive mode to drive mode (4 year old video)
If its like the coyote 10r80 tune, all that can be changed. There are shift schedules for every mode and every scenario like coast down, coast down no throttle and they are all OSS or output shaft speed based vs RPM. If you see the tables, your eyes will cross I assure you. Its easy to make small percentage changes to them by taking the entire table and adding 1% to it or taking away 2% to the values. The results are still in the same curve of sorts, but the output will be changed.Great stuff and already way more than I asked for and more than I expected. Thank you. I have no doubt you guys are leaders and innovators, engine and trans.
Again, my request is about the resulting user experience specifics, i.e. the outputs/results NOT your own proprietary way of getting there.
All Raptor specific here: Have you noted the overly aggressive down shifts in Sport Mode? Have you noticed the thunks on light throttle 4->5 and 5->6 shifts in Sport mode? Can you/have you disabled auto down shifts in manual mode with Baja mode? These are some of the specifics, I and other attentive owners have noticed and would like to see corrected. I'd even go so far as to call these "thunks" bugs/defects as opposed to designed in features. I still don't see why this very high level/results type of discussion can't be in public. I'm also happy to move this to a new thread to not further detract from the wonderful results in the OP. Cheers.
You would need to install a flashed ECU, but everything else in done remotely.ZFGRacing
I asked earlier but you must have missed, can this caliber of tune be done remotely or is this a in shop only option?
If you have a 2.7L. Turbos are much smaller, so the gains are not nearly as high.Where was this done and can I have it done on my Badlands? I have zero mods (mechanically) to worry about, but I sure would love more power for fun and towing.
Great stuff and already way more than I asked for and more than I expected. Thank you. I have no doubt you guys are leaders and innovators, engine and trans.
Again, my request is about the resulting user experience specifics, i.e. the outputs/results NOT your own proprietary way of getting there.
All Raptor specific here: Have you noted the overly aggressive down shifts in Sport Mode? Have you noticed the thunks on light throttle 4->5 and 5->6 shifts in Sport mode? Can you/have you disabled auto down shifts in manual mode with Baja mode? These are some of the specifics, I and other attentive owners have noticed and would like to see corrected. I'd even go so far as to call these "thunks" bugs/defects as opposed to designed in features. I still don't see why this very high level/results type of discussion can't be in public. I'm also happy to move this to a new thread to not further detract from the wonderful results in the OP. Cheers.
Thanks for chiming in. Normal is pretty good and Baja is good less the automatic downshifts in manual mode. Sport is the "wart" on the tranny for sure. Many other gave noted this in multiple other threads. @ZFGracing ??I'm a plus one on this Ford did an awful job tuning the trans on the raptor sport mode. I like the way the engine responds in sport mode but the downshifts and clunks make it almost unusable..... if you've addressed these issue's I'm in.