Future of the 2.7L?

[Valhalla]

I haven't driven the 4banger. But! The torque difference once you've added 30+ lbs of tire per corner and a much taller and wider rotating mass then add hundreds of lbs of bumpers two winches recovery gear ad nauseum.

Point being I like the piece of mind of the extra torque. Now mine is tuned with Ford performance tune. I love mine.

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[Smocaine]

Lay off the smocaine

Lay off the copium, your butt dyno is lying to you!

 

[Point78]

I just found out today that the loaner I've been in for 1200 miles has the 2.7L V6 - wow, what a waste of money! Having the distinct disprivilege to drive both the 2.3L MPC and 2.7L back to back with automatics and 4 doors, I have to say anyone who ponied up for the latter got scammed. The 10% power difference just doesn't show on the road at all without $3300 worth of placebo effect. These poor souls are chained forever to a wet belt and a less-than-stellar automatic transmission, and they have absolutely nothing to show for it.

The 2.7 is built very different from the 2.3. (And somewhat different than the older 3.0)

Nobody got scammed on the 2.7-it’s an impressive engine with the compacted iron block with fractured main bearing caps, semi closed deck cylinders, forged - offset fractured con rods…etc etc.

The 2.7 specifically is one of the reasons I bought the Bronco…( and don’t overlook the entire engine is less stressed when at the same power levels as the 2.3 due to the extra two cylinders…. It’s significant)

 

[Fast Eddie]

Lay off the copium, your butt dyno is lying to you!

No, no, no. You are just really methed up right now. The 2.3 is a great little engine but it is down 90lbs of torque to the 2.7 and that is very noticeable everywhere except off the line (where Ford has torque management aggressively curtailing power).

 

[Nc211]

I say retire the 2.7! It'll make the current 2.7's that much more valuable and "unicorn" in the future. While I'm no Ford historian, I have read and even told in person by those who clearly know far more about Ford than I do, that this 2.7 is one of the best V6's they have made. Compact graphite, crank, etc. I've read where they have elements to them that would normally only be seen in over-the-road commercial diesel trucks that see hundreds of thousands of miles.

I know nothing about the 3.0, but given Ford's struggles with quality perception and recall costs, I can easily see them wanting to narrow the scope of engines to focus on perfecting just one and then adjust the tune for model usage. It's very similar to what VW has done with their 2.0t engine across VW, Audi, even Porsche (and all of those other brands they own that we don't see from the US). Replacing two turbos with just one, would make sense in that regard, and therefore I could see the 3.0 winning the boardroom debate on which V6 to keep and which to retire.

I'm old enough to spot the "lightening in a bottle" cars that rarely come along. Also old enough to know that those eventually get "tweaked" to the point where they've sort've lost their original appeal. Sometimes the first model run ends up being the best, and I do think the current version will go down that same path. Sure, the revised versions will probably look cooler here and there, given how "tech" rules the earth now, certain to have more "tech" gadgets that tech fans will drool over. Bigger wheels, more aggressive edges, fancier seat covers, etc. For many, that will just mean the loss of the intention. All "lightening in the bottle" cars eventually go down that path, and the Bronco will ultimately do the same.

So I say retire the 2.7! Let the history books have them now. Especially since I've got one and love it! Have every intention of never letting mine go. Maybe a barn find in 30 years when I'm the fertilizer behind it.

 

[Sherminiator]

I know nothing about the 3.0, but given Ford's struggles with quality perception and recall costs, I can easily see them wanting to narrow the scope of engines to focus on perfecting just one and then adjust the tune for model usage. It's very similar to what VW has done with their 2.0t engine across VW, Audi, even Porsche (and all of those other brands they own that we don't see from the US). Replacing two turbos with just one, would make sense in that regard, and therefore I could see the 3.0 winning the boardroom debate on which V6 to keep and which to retire.

Some information-

The 3.0 and 2.7 are basically the same engine-just the 3.0 has a longer stroke.

The other thing (which didn't dawn on me till someone else mentioned a new 6 cyc is coming) is that you NEED 2 turbos on V style engines...so if there is a single turbo engine coming, that means one thing-its going to be an inline 6!

Maybe Ford is going to add two cylinders to the the MPC 2.3L-that would work out to a roughly 3.5L Inline 6, unless they adjust the stroke on it, if my math is correct.

 

[Thor_1]

I just found out today that the loaner I've been in for 1200 miles has the 2.7L V6 - wow, what a waste of money! Having the distinct disprivilege to drive both the 2.3L MPC and 2.7L back to back with automatics and 4 doors, I have to say anyone who ponied up for the latter got scammed. The 10% power difference just doesn't show on the road at all without $3300 worth of placebo effect. These poor souls are chained forever to a wet belt and a less-than-stellar automatic transmission, and they have absolutely nothing to show for it.

I wish there was a downvote option as this comment is wild. Some of the 2015 models have hit 300K miles. And it’s not just HP, it’s also torque. I am glad you like your overworked 2.4l. Enjoy your walnut blasting too.

 

[Brian_B]

Hybrids get their MPG by using an engine tuned for steady RMP output. Specifically a modified Atkinson cycle engine.

Not all Hybrids are tuned for MPG

 

[Sherminiator]

I wish there was a downvote option as this comment is wild. Some of the 2015 models have hit 300K miles. And it’s not just HP, it’s also torque. I am glad you like your overworked 2.4l. Enjoy your walnut blasting too.

I think he might be smoking crack-the 2.7 doesn't come in lower end models that would be used for loaner in the past few years.

The 2.3L is a good engine anyways...

 

[Smocaine]

No, no, no. You are just really methed up right now. The 2.3 is a great little engine but it is down 90lbs of torque to the 2.7 and that is very noticeable everywhere except off the line (where Ford has torque management aggressively curtailing power).

"Off the line" is the only thing the 10R60 knows. It can only operate in regimes where the 2.3L is superior.
The 2.7L NVH is absolutely off the scale too. The whole car shakes like a paint mixer.
I can only assume Ford is starting to realize how redundant this motor is too and collapsing the line to engines that make business sense. At least the 3.0 makes some power for all the intolerable downsides of owning a V6.

I appreciate all the notifications, though - I own a Copium factory and you are all making me filthy rich!

I think he might be smoking crack-the 2.7 doesn't come in lower end models that would be used for loaner in the past few years.



The 2.3L is a good engine anyways...

This is actually the main reason I thought I was driving a 2.3L. The Outer Banks offers the 2.7L for 2026 - that was news to me! The previous Big Bend with the 2.3L was completely indistinguishable from this once filtered through the god awful 10R60 transmission, except of course that the 2.3L doesn't vibrate the vehicle like a jackhammer.

 

[Sherminiator]

Ok glad I can block people on here for stupidity....

 

[Smocaine]

Riddle me this: When you waste $3300 on the V6, do you also have to waste $1500 on the 10R? Or is that baked into the V6 price?
$3300 vs $4800 of Copium would explain a lot.

 

[EasternSierra]

I just found out today that the loaner I've been in for 1200 miles has the 2.7L V6 - wow, what a waste of money! Having the distinct disprivilege to drive both the 2.3L MPC and 2.7L back to back with automatics and 4 doors, I have to say anyone who ponied up for the latter got scammed. The 10% power difference just doesn't show on the road at all without $3300 worth of placebo effect. These poor souls are chained forever to a wet belt and a less-than-stellar automatic transmission, and they have absolutely nothing to show for it.

Did both Broncos have the same gearing and the same size tires?

 

[Smocaine]

Did both Broncos have the same gearing and the same size tires?

3.73s and 32s, of course

 

[Nc211]

Some information-

The 3.0 and 2.7 are basically the same engine-just the 3.0 has a longer stroke.

The other thing (which didn't dawn on me till someone else mentioned a new 6 cyc is coming) is that you NEED 2 turbos on V style engines...so if there is a single turbo engine coming, that means one thing-its going to be an inline 6!

Maybe Ford is going to add two cylinders to the the MPC 2.3L-that would work out to a roughly 3.5L Inline 6, unless they adjust the stroke on it, if my math is correct.

Interesting, I didn't know that about V's and turbos. Makes sense to me!

A platform-wide I-6 would be a very smart move for Ford! Far less complicated, less parts to fail, and really nice performance. Wife's GLS (2020) has the I-6 in it, 100k miles, and it is perhaps the smoothest engine I have ever owned. Perfectly balanced. I'm not sure if I ever heard anyone really complain about an inline 6. Isn't Jeep's old 4.0 I6 something of legendary status out there?

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