5/14/2026 Update - Bronco Raptor APG ProRunner Suspension Installation

[Valhalla]

That can mean over base, not sasquatch.

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[BigMeatsBronco]

Quoted directly from Ford.



So the axles and half shafts are different/improved but the CVs aren't mentioned. Seems unlikely they would be identical. Also, if materials or heat treat are different, size/shape alone doesn't prove identical!

This also says a stronger clutch. Is the clutch the TC, no. Seems like a judgement call. I'm happy to revise the main post on this point if you advise.

Do whatever you want... makes no difference here as the OP has upgraded both the front and rear ....UFDU 32 spline front m210 and u60 rear.


Back to the topic of the thread, I REALLY like how APG has thought out the panhard rod attachment points... Instead of raising the axle side mount, like most other companies cheaply, do... Instead, they dropped the frame side, mount and beefed it up.As well, in my opinion, this changes the roll center in a better way. Im doing a very similar thing.

 

[SierraBronco]

Do whatever you want... makes no difference here as the OP has upgraded both the front and rear ....UFDU 32 spline front m210 and u60 rear.


Back to the topic of the thread, I REALLY like how APG has thought out the panhard rod attachment points... Instead of raising the axle side mount, like most other companies cheaply, do... Instead, they dropped the frame side, mount and beefed it up.As well, in my opinion, this changes the roll center in a better way. Im doing a very similar thing.

If you really want to get froggy you extend the panhard bar too.

 

[87-Z28]

If you really want to get froggy you extend the panhard bar too.

Froggy indeed… High motion ratio, soft aggressive wheel spring rates, dropped roll center from panhard frame mount… better keep that CG down and dial in the sway bar stiffness…

Seems that 3” diameter A36 solid rods are cheap…

Just kidding… maybe…

 

[SierraBronco]

Froggy indeed… High motion ratio, soft aggressive wheel spring rates, dropped roll center from panhard frame mount… better keep that CG down and dial in the sway bar stiffness…

Seems that 3” diameter A36 solid rods are cheap…

Just kidding… maybe…

If I can’t three wheel around town I’m going to be very disappointed

 

[swamp2]

Do whatever you want... makes no difference here as the OP has upgraded both the front and rear ....UFDU 32 spline front m210 and u60 rear.

Not trying to beat the dead horse here.... But...

How does the existence of upgraded Raptor parts demonstrate that the Raptor doesnt have upgraded parts compared to a base or SAS?

Sure, I get that the spline count clearly indicates a different part, but that alone doesn't even guarantee said part is an upgrade does it?

 

[Valhalla]

In my experience most axles snap at the splines or the CV. Spline count is an indication of contact area. More contact increases the load being dispersed over a greater area. So that is why when all else is the same (or greater) the more splines are considered an upgrade.

 

[BigMeatsBronco]

Not trying to beat the dead horse here.... But...

How does the existence of upgraded Raptor parts demonstrate that the Raptor doesnt have upgraded parts compared to a base or SAS?

Sure, I get that the spline count clearly indicates a different part, but that alone doesn't even guarantee said part is an upgrade does it?

The part numbers difference is due to the dumb IWEs oon the Braptors stub axle, and obviously the length of the center bar... to state or even assume that's an "upgrade" is a BIG stretch. Kinda like when you posted about your new Braptor be able to shift as fast as yer Porsche did...you even stated the milliseconds yet later , after driving it you backed off on that claim...

My angle is, if you're gonna do the expensive full out APG everything upgrade, why start with a Braptor because you're going to cut some of that expensive s*** off that you just paid for from Ford... essentially paying for the upgrades twice?

APG does fantastic work as an all around package, I don't believe any other company offers fenders, Suspension, bumpers, of this quality in a package.

The Suspension travel the OP has is cutting edge and surpassed the $300,000 Bronco DR.!!! His Bronco with this complete APG setup AND the monster sized V8 swap is FANTASTIC!!! My hats off to him! Excellent choice of builders, both Juicy and APG are worth the CASH if you can't, or don't want to do it all the work yourself, like I did,Any Bronco owner can't go wrong with the OPs choices ...this is one of the best Bronco Raptor builds I've seen.
Take time and enjoy every moment of it!!!

 

[swamp2]

The part numbers difference is due to the dumb IWEs oon the Braptors stub axle, and obviously the length of the center bar... to state or even assume that's an "upgrade" is a BIG stretch.

Not sure how many times I have to say it but I'm undecided on whether the (front) axles and CVs are upgraded or not (based on either SAS or non SAS). To me the direct quotes from Ford are pretty clear, "larger front and rear axles". This could indeed mean longer though.... Have you mic-ed their diameters??

The only "evidence" you've provided on the CVs is, "well they look identical in some videos". Again with no accounting for possible material of heat treatment differences.

Seems like the TC issue is settled as it has upgraded clutches.

Kinda like when you posted about your new Braptor be able to shift as fast as yer Porsche did...you even stated the milliseconds yet later , after driving it you backed off on that claim...

Well, wrong on both counts. My claim very clearly was MIGHT be able to, it absolutely was not WILL be able to. And given the huge similarities between the Chevrolet version of the 10R80 and our 10R60, it probably is completely physically possible for it to do so.

Also, I'm not sure how this (largely) friendly discussion trying to get to the true bottom of some conflicting information is any thing like that. Perhaps the "just like" is multiple cases where I turned out to be wrong about something? Oh no, lordy, I've been wrong about multiple things??? Say it ain't so. Oh the horror. Hopefully, that won't cause tons of B6G folks to faint in utter disbelief.

Of course in direct contrast you've never been wrong about anything, here or elsewhere, right?

Let's indeed get back on topic. We can take this up in my stickied thread on the Raptor differences if needed.

 

[SierraBronco]

There’s only one solution-we need a spline count and metallurgy tests done of the raptor CV’s. As well as getting a clutch from the braptor to compare against the standard case.

In my deep dive quest into the transfer cases, I couldn’t find anything where it showed the braptor tcase was different than the standard tcase beyond an initial marketing clip from Ford. Whereas on the Gen2 Raptor pickup it was very evident what was done, as the raptor pickup had an upgraded case with physical dogs engaging for 4H and 4L, then using the clutch for 4A. Braptor seems to be clutch only for all three like the normal bronco advanced case.

 

[vrtical]

Spline count also dictates diameter. I would bet on axles being different at least for the D50, front seems to be no different using a Dana44 based on looking at upgrades. It would not shock me if there is a different clutch pack in the transfer case especially due to the change in HP / weight of the braptor. Soo until someone tears one down or finds part #s, its a guess.

 

[SierraBronco]

Spline count also dictates diameter. I would bet on axles being different at least for the D50, front seems to be no different using a Dana44 based on looking at upgrades. It would not shock me if there is a different clutch pack in the transfer case especially due to the change in HP / weight of the braptor. Soo until someone tears one down or finds part #s, its a guess.

Front on the braptor is M210, but the D50 is a 235mm unit compared to the standard M220. I believe it’s also 35 spline compared to 32 spline but might be wrong there.

 

[BigMeatsBronco]

Spline count also dictates diameter. I would bet on axles being different at least for the D50, front seems to be no different using a Dana44 based on looking at upgrades. It would not shock me if there is a different clutch pack in the transfer case especially due to the change in HP / weight of the braptor. Soo until someone tears one down or finds part #s, its a guess.

No the D50 has 32 spline axles (same as normal Bronco) NOT 35 spline..(information from dana) .the shafts themselves are NOT upgraded! Only the ring and pinion size, and the cast casing is obviously larger to accommodate the 9" ring gear.... Otherwise, I would have used that TTB ford HP50, with 35 spline E-locker on my front IFS setup.

 

[SierraBronco]

No the D50 has 32 spline axles (same as normal Bronco) NOT 35 spline..(information from dana) .the shafts themselves are NOT upgraded! Only the ring and pinion size, and the cast casing is obviously larger to accommodate the 9" ring gear.... Otherwise, I would have used that TTB for HP50, with 35 spline E-locker on my front IFS setup.

**updates notes**

 

[swamp2]

the shafts themselves are NOT upgraded!

Again... In spline count, diameter, minor diameter, material and heat treat? Any of which could be an very real upgrade.

Spline count is also not a guarantee of either a larger diameter axle nor a stronger axle. It is correlated, but not guaranteed.

Torsional strength depends on:

• Minor (root) diameter
• Material
• Heat treatment
• Spline profile (involute vs straight)

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