Why can't Ford fix the cam phaser issue?

[Jms1]

Serious question, not sure if it has been asked. Is there a reason Ford can't seem to fix the cam phasor issue. Reading on here it seems there are failures on 23 year models with low mileage. I know there has been an part update but it has not seemed to fix the issue. Ford is not the only manufacture to have cam phasors but I don't believe I have read of other manufacture failures as common. This is not a bash, I just don't get why it is so hard to solve the issue? What am I missing?

Also is it true the engine must be removed to make this repair? I know the F150's are completed in frame.

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[Ducati1098]

Serious question, not sure if it has been asked. Is there a reason Ford can't seem to fix the cam phasor issue. Reading on here it seems there are failures on 23 year models with low mileage. I know there has been an part update but it has not seemed to fix the issue. Ford is not the only manufacture to have cam phasors but I don't believe I have read of other manufacture failures as common. This is not a bash, I just don't get why it is so hard to solve the issue? What am I missing?

Nobody is going to have any answer for this. I don’t understand how they haven’t either

Also is it true the engine must be removed to make this repair? I know the F150's are completed in frame.

According to the workshop manual, the engine must be removed.
But I can say that in reality, like many other repairs, there are quicker and more efficient ways to do a repair other than what the workshop manual says. Phasers can be done without engine removal. Which way it’s done will depend on the technician though.

 

[Jms1]

Nobody is going to have any answer for this. I don’t understand how they haven’t either



According to the workshop manual, the engine must be removed.
But I can say that in reality, like many other repairs, there are quicker and more efficient ways to do a repair other than what the workshop manual says. Phasers can be done without engine removal. Which way it’s done will depend on the technician though.

Thank you for the answer Sir. I don't mean any disrespect to any engineer but man how hard can it be? Ford has designed and produced some amazing vehicles and we are talking about a phasor. I don't mean to be obtuse but do you think it is even technically possible or is it not financially cost effective to expend the effort?

I would sure hate to have my engine removed for a phasor replacement. You wonder if it would ever be the same.

 

[Ducati1098]

Thank you for the answer Sir. I don't mean any disrespect to any engineer but man how hard can it be? Ford has designed and produced some amazing vehicles and we are talking about a phasor. I don't mean to be obtuse but do you think it is even technically possible or is it not financially cost effective to expend the effort?

I would sure hate to have my engine removed for a phasor replacement. You wonder if it would ever be the same.

I really don’t understand how hard it can be either, but I’m not an engineer so that’s out of my ball park.
If you think about the millions of dollars that Ford is spending to replace phasers on vehicles every year, you’d think they’d do anything possible to fix the issue. Yet it’s been a lot of years with the same concern.

 

[Monster1926]

Sad fact is it’s prob cheaper for ford to push out shitty engines and have the dealers fix them than to correct the issue. Phasers have been a problem since the 2004 5.4 3v. 20 years.

 

[Phil]

I don't think most people realize just how devastated the supply was following covid. Ford has a choice to make. Use the poor quality parts that are available from the supply chain that filled the vacuum, cross their fingers, hope for the best, and fix it when it comes back. Or, they don't make anything.

 

[Cux211]

I don't think most people realize just how devastated the supply was following covid. Ford has a choice to make. Use the poor quality parts that are available from the supply chain that filled the vacuum, cross their fingers, hope for the best, and fix it when it comes back. Or, they don't make anything.

Say what now, cam phasers have been an issue long before covid

 

[userdude]

I really don’t understand how hard it can be either, but I’m not an engineer so that’s out of my ball park.
If you think about the millions of dollars that Ford is spending to replace phasers on vehicles every year, you’d think they’d do anything possible to fix the issue. Yet it’s been a lot of years with the same concern.

From another point of view, though, perhaps Ford would be better served to explain why they fund the replacement program? I mean, the 2.7L is supposedly worth it. Maybe it wouldn't be a bad thing if everyone knew why? All the downside, no upside if it's really comprehensible. But rarely is Ford, in these types of waters.

 

[swamp2]

I suspect Ford has done the math and fixing after the fact is cheaper than upfront. Although given how long the problem has existed it seems hard to believe, I mean sure, use the parts you have on hand and calculate vs. a recall, but implementing a future fix at some given time should have been feasible long ago. Heck multiple, complete redesigns should have been possible, even if one design was inherently flawed. Subscribed and fingers crossed...

 

[TNcoupe]

MY biggest problem is why have they put all the eggs in the DOHC turbo engine basket when GM has proven it can still be done with pushrods in a narrower lighter NA package and still retain MPG.

 

[BigBendBW]

I just went from a 2.3 Basesquatch to a 2.7, hoping I got a good one

 

[Johnny Branch]

I have been waiting on a Bronco for 18 months. I now have a build week and vin #. The problem is, I am reading post after post of engine failure, leaking tops, oil leaks and complete engine stopping while driving. I have owned and currently drive a Wrangler and have never had issues like this. I am getting colder feet every day that passes

 

[USSCajun]

If you think about the millions of dollars that Ford is spending to replace phasers on vehicles every year, you’d think they’d do anything possible to fix the issue. Yet it’s been a lot of years with the same concern.

Money? It’s not an issue when the Feds keep giving you $9.2B of tax payer funds.

They want ICE to fail so you’ll buy the fairy dust EV.

 

[JohnnyBronco]

Thank you for the answer Sir. I don't mean any disrespect to any engineer but man how hard can it be? Ford has designed and produced some amazing vehicles and we are talking about a phasor. I don't mean to be obtuse but do you think it is even technically possible or is it not financially cost effective to expend the effort?

I would sure hate to have my engine removed for a phasor replacement. You wonder if it would ever be the same.

The option would be remove front bumper-grille-radiator in addition to hood-fenders.

Your engine was installed near the end of assembly. And probably from the bottom. If they were rolling chassis then body was dropped over engine.

Judging from experience probably 5 hours flat rate to remove engine

 

[da_jokker]

It has to simply boiled down to the money. Whoever makes the cam phasers would have to do some sort of QA testing on each and every one produced to make sure that it had the correct tension... This is what gets very expensive.

In production, you have a choice. You can mass produce with no QA. You can mass produce and do random sampling QA, or you can QA every single part made.... Hardly anyone does the latter.

Have no doubt... The bean counters have determined that having a dealer perform warranty work versus having every cam phaser tested cost less.

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