What do I have when the diffs aren't locked?

[Jdyount]

Toyotas punch above their weight.

Frankly, if it was easier to fit bigger tires, I would have kept mine…and if they hadn’t taken away the V6, my resale wouldn’t have been as strong as it was, so I would have been more likely to keep mine.

Toyota made a BIG mistake when they didn't go to removable doors/top, non-integrated bumper, rig like the Bronco and Wrangler. How they didn't act when the saw the popularity of the Bronco is beyond me. The new Land Cruiser could have been epic, instead it's basically a re-skinned 4-Runner competing in the exact same segment as the 4-Runner.

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[GoHawks63]

To me, traction control is really throttle control. It keeps your from madly spinning tires. This has been true for most brands/models I've ever dealt with.

When the ABS circuit stops a spinning tire so the other tire can help within the differential, I call this brake lock differential intervention. I think I learned the name from my old Jeeps (JK, JL). My wife's Acura calls it torque vectoring (changing the direction of the torque). Toyota calls it A-track on my FJ Cruiser.

If Ford has a name, I'm unaware of it. I think Range Rovers started this and is generally considered great at it.

Acura's Torque vectoring is a bit different. I owned a 2006 Acura RL that was the first vehicle that came with Super Handling AWD (SH-AWD). Acura's system can send power front, back and to each side depending on traction and handling needs. For example, when powering through a curve it will send more torque and increase the speed to the outside wheels to help rotate the car. It doesn't apply brakes to the inside wheel(s) like less complicated systems. It will also send power dynamically to the front or rear wheels depending on traction needs.

Yes, they also have traction control to handle wheel spin, but from an AWD perspective, SH-AWD is much more advanced than brake-based torque vectoring system.

It was fun accelerating that RL onto freeway on-ramps. You just put your right foot down and that car would hunker down and power through that curve. It was really ahead of its time back then. An earlier version of that was offered on the last generation Honda Prelude, but that was only on the front axles since it was a FWD car. It would dynamically apply power to either side as needed.

 

[Kini]

Yes.

Even though we might romanticize limited slip, it's inferior to traction control because it doesn't work out what it SHOULD do, it can only do what it is designed to do.

I had a chain reaction of failures once on a Jeep that would have been far less of an issue if it didn't have a limited slip in place. Instead of spinning a tire, things broke.

That's called an operator issue. Get out of the gas, it's not a motor boat.

 

[bassist]

Toyota made a BIG mistake when they didn't go to removable doors/top, non-integrated bumper, rig like the Bronco and Wrangler. How they didn't act when the saw the popularity of the Bronco is beyond me. The new Land Cruiser could have been epic, instead it's basically a re-skinned 4-Runner competing in the exact same segment as the 4-Runner.

The Land Cruiser is really the new generation of the 4Runner…with the 4Runner being enshittified.

If they made the front and rear bumpers more offroad friendly, the fixed doors and roof would have been fine.

 

[bassist]

That's called an operator issue. Get out of the gas, it's not a motor boat.

Yes, it’s totally an operator issue when the linkage between the clutch pedal and the actual clutch fails.

 

[Owl]

Well... maybe this is a heads up for Ford! After all... the traction control is really just controlled by a computer program that can be modified (hopefully).

FORD! FIX IT!

 

[Sparkherd]

Well... maybe this is a heads up for Ford! After all... the traction control is really just controlled by a computer program that can be modified (hopefully).

FORD! FIX IT!

Yeah...we can only hope.
Hey FORD!!! How about a software update where ya'll put an ACTUAL TACHOMETER in the dash of my Badlands?!?
AND GET RID OF THAT DOUBLE HONK BULLSHIT!!!
WhoTF comes up with this crap?!?

 

[GoHawks63]

The double honk is in all Ford vehicles. My Mustang does the same thing.

 

[bassist]

Yeah...we can only hope.
Hey FORD!!! How about a software update where ya'll put an ACTUAL TACHOMETER in the dash of my Badlands?!?
AND GET RID OF THAT DOUBLE HONK BULLSHIT!!!
WhoTF comes up with this crap?!?

You have a tach.

I don’t understand why people have such a hard issue. You’re not driving a high performance car - you should be able to shift from feel and sound alone.

My first motorcycle didn’t have a tach. Things were fine.

I’ve had friends with MT cars without a tach. Again, they were fine.

 

[JT58Bronc]

They are for sure open differentials. I once turned off on a trail that had a huge washout where it met the road- was a huge ditch. It was not even and I end up getting high centered in 4WD- one rear and one front wheel off the ground opposite sides. I had to lock one of the differentials to get out. Sure glad I had the push button locking differential option!

 

[bassist]

They are for sure open differentials. I once turned off on a trail that had a huge washout where it met the road- was a huge ditch. It was not even and I end up getting high centered in 4WD- one rear and one front wheel off the ground opposite sides. I had to lock one of the differentials to get out. Sure glad I had the push button locking differential option!

Never forget that stacking rocks is another option.

 

[GoHawks63]

You have a tach.

I don’t understand why people have such a hard issue. You’re not driving a high performance car - you should be able to shift from feel and sound alone.

My first motorcycle didn’t have a tach. Things were fine.

I’ve had friends with MT cars without a tach. Again, they were fine.

Agree. My first car was a manual with no tach and I knew when to shift just by engine sound and feel. In my retirement job I have the opportunity to drive many manual cars and hardly ever have to look at the tach to know when to shift.

 

[zuke]

2. No, you can't have an e-locker and posi at the same time.

Yes, You Can...

I've run the Auburn ECTED, (Now called a Select-A-Loc) in older jeeps, and it's exactly that, it operates as a limited slip differential up until you press the button, Then it locks up.

Pretty sure they aren't making one that will work in the newer Dana Advantek axles in modern Wranglers and Broncos though.

https://auburngeardiffs.com/select-a-loc-ltd-slip-to-lock/

 

[Jdyount]

Yes, You Can...

I've run the Auburn ECTED, (Now called a Select-A-Loc) in older jeeps, and it's exactly that, it operates as a limited slip differential up until you press the button, Then it locks up.

Pretty sure they aren't making one that will work in the newer Dana Advantek axles in modern Wranglers and Broncos though.

https://auburngeardiffs.com/select-a-loc-ltd-slip-to-lock/

I added "that I am aware of" in a later post.

You're right, doesn't look like they have an option for the Advantek axles either way.

 

[CalvinT]

They are for sure open differentials. I once turned off on a trail that had a huge washout where it met the road- was a huge ditch. It was not even and I end up getting high centered in 4WD- one rear and one front wheel off the ground opposite sides. I had to lock one of the differentials to get out. Sure glad I had the push button locking differential option!

This is a situation where a hand activated emergency brake can help. Gradually apply the emergency brake and torque will transfer from the rear wheel that is spinning to the one that has traction. Can't do it with an electric parking brake. It's on or off.

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