Less body roll for the Sasquatch possible?

[ShiftyBronco]

You could just raise your right foot when you're on those roads that should ease the body roll. My previous Bronco a base sasquatch had no issues with body roll. I also grew up in the era of land yachts talk about roll on windy roads and hard turns. Some of the things other posters recommend will help but a truck based off road vehicle is still a truck based off road vehicle.

I’m already taking the road pretty slow, got a line of cars behind me in the turns. I realize it’s a lifted, truck based vehicle but I don’t see the harm in seeing if I can reduce lean

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[ShiftyBronco]

aka ... how do I get my hopped up Sas Bronco to behave more like the road car I should have bought.

Find me the road car I overlooked that can clear the flooded roads around me, has a manual transmission, and looks as good as the bronco, please!

 

[jon]

 

[ShiftyBronco]

Great looking truck but I doubt that’s doing any better on the taconic parkway

 

[Lil Mul]

I was very happy with the Bilstein 6112's I put on my Badlands SAS and how much they improved body roll.

Let me level out the front
Upgrade to a 2.6" shock
Rides same as SAS yellow shocks
Noticeably less body roll and nose dive.
Lots of bang for the buck in my opinion.

 

[ShiftyBronco]

I was very happy with the Bilstein 6112's I put on my Badlands SAS and how much they improved body roll.

Let me level out the front
Upgrade to a 2.6" shock
Rides same as SAS yellow shocks
Noticeably less body roll and nose dive.
Lots of bang for the buck in my opinion.

Thank you! I’ll look into that. I honestly don’t mind the nose diving, just leave plenty of space between me and the car in front of me, but the roll can make my route difficult to do even the speed limit on the turns

 

[SnowTired]

I’m already taking the road pretty slow, got a line of cars behind me in the turns. I realize it’s a lifted, truck based vehicle but I don’t see the harm in seeing if I can reduce lean

I have a 2 door HE manual, and regularly spend hours driving up and down a 10 mile canyon road with 1200 feet of elevation change and more corners than a barrel full of stop signs.

I'm a recovering track and autocross addict and have mitigated lean and changed handling on dozens of cars with springs, shocks, bars, ride height, you name it.

That said, my SAS bronco has very little lean in corners, and is incredibly steerable with throttle once it takes a set. It's a hoot, and has NO business being this sporty...

BUT!!

The stock Territory tires - even at 39 psi cold) flex like crazy on the road. They tread squirm badly as well, leading to an unpredictable feeling of "lean" as the sidewalls flex, as well as sudden understeer (TC seems to keep oversteer in check) when side loads, bumps, or wind gusts upset the contact patch of the outside tires. That same flex is probably designed for maximum traction off road. Compromises are expected, but in this case the chassis has more capability than it seems, because the tires are not suited to spirited on road driving. (Which is by design, I know.)

I swapped to Falken AT3Ws, and found that nearly all perceived lean (and certainly all tread squirm) is now gone, and I can confidently place the car wherever I want in corners and at speed... as long as I remember it weighs a couple tons, and when I exceed available traction, it takes a while to gather things up!! (I.e. leave room, and respect the low lateral grip, to stay safe).

Even passengers have commented on how flat it corners, and it's totally tossable and planted after the tire swap.

I know, and can perceive, how much heavier these tires are, but the increased sidewall stiffness, even as low as 35 psi, take out the feeling of lean, and makes the car feel much more flat and controllable on road.

Bottom line: tires, especially as large as ours, make a HUGE difference!

 

[ShiftyBronco]

I have a 2 door HE manual, and regularly spend hours driving up and down a 10 mile canyon road with 1200 feet of elevation change and more corners than a barrel full of stop signs.

I'm a recovering track and autocross addict and have mitigated lean and changed handling on dozens of cars with springs, shocks, bars, ride height, you name it.

That said, my SAS bronco has very little lean in corners, and is incredibly steerable with throttle once it takes a set. It's a hoot, and has NO business being this sporty...

BUT!!

The stock Territory tires - even at 39 psi cold) flex like crazy on the road. They tread squirm badly as well, leading to an unpredictable feeling of "lean" as the sidewalls flex, as well as sudden understeer (TC seems to keep oversteer in check) when side loads, bumps, or wind gusts upset the contact patch of the outside tires. That same flex is probably designed for maximum traction off road. Compromises are expected, but in this case the chassis has more capability than it seems, because the tires are not suited to spirited on road driving. (Which is by design, I know.)

I swapped to Falken AT3Ws, and found that nearly all perceived lean (and certainly all tread squirm) is now gone, and I can confidently place the car wherever I want in corners and at speed... as long as I remember it weighs a couple tons, and when I exceed available traction, it takes a while to gather things up!! (I.e. leave room, and respect the low lateral grip, to stay safe).

Even passengers have commented on how flat it corners, and it's totally tossable and planted after the tire swap.

I know, and can perceive, how much heavier these tires are, but the increased sidewall stiffness, even as low as 35 psi, take out the feeling of lean, and makes the car feel much more flat and controllable on road.

Bottom line: tires, especially as large as ours, make a HUGE difference!

Useful info. I will certainly consider these tires once the Goodyears expire. You mentioned you can perceive the heaviness, how does the heaviness feel? Does it feel more sluggish because of the weight? Did you notice an mpg change?

 

[redone17]

I have the SVC Perch Collars on the fronts of our Ranger and I love it. I am getting pretty tired of the boat like feeling of the Bilsteins (take offs from 2.7L Badlands 4DR)...perhaps this is a good solution for me since I don't have the mounting brackets for a sway bar either...

 

[SnowTired]

Useful info. I will certainly consider these tires once the Goodyears expire. You mentioned you can perceive the heaviness, how does the heaviness feel? Does it feel more sluggish because of the weight? Did you notice an mpg change?

Primarily I feel like I notice a bit more noise and impact over square edged bumps at speed. Secondarily, I feel a very slight change in brake pedal feel under heavy/moderate braking (I.e. when I'm trying to scrub off a lot of speed quickly, I feel like more initial pressure is required at the pedal). That could all be in my head.

I can't tell a difference in fuel economy - so far I'm always right in the 18s.

 

[redone17]

I have SVC perch collars installed. Gets rid of the brake dive and helps with body roll.

Which shocks/springs did you install them on?

 

[MWILD]

Which shocks/springs did you install them on?

Stock Sasquatch suspension

 

[redone17]

Stock Sasquatch suspension

How do you like it after some time having them installed?

I just acquired some non-Sasquatch Badlands Bilsteins that I was planning on swapping in. My thought process: they have more articulation out of the gate - perhaps a bit less limitation on the full stroke. I’m also not in the position for new tires yet, so I was hoping the lift wouldn’t make my 285/75R17 Toyo AT3 look puny with the extra 1-1.5” I should achieve.

My main goal is to reduce body roll while gaining a bit of ground clearance for a low cost. If all goes as planned I’d break even or spend a couple hundred at most including alignment after flipping the set of Sasquatch Bilsteins that I currently have mounted.

I’m a little tight on funds at the moment, but I’m pretty tired of the rocking boat sensation. I know the Bilsteins are well-engineered and my hopes with a tighter spring is they’ll perform a bit better in all scenarios.

 

[ShiftyBronco]

So to summarize, here are a few of things people have tried to reduce body roll and the results:

Rear anti - sway bar as mentioned by @Aonarch: generally positive reviews (I did this but can't report results for reasons I'll mention below)

4dr V6 coils in the two door: firms it up a lot but too harsh over potholes

@MWILD @redone17 recommended SVC perch collars

@Lil Mul Bilstein 6112s and raise the front

@SnowTired Falken AT3Ws

And an important update: After a scary experience going over a gentle bump around a mild turn at 65mph, I arranged to have the rear sway bar installed per @Aonarch -when I went under to check that I had the swaybar mounts, I noticed the rear driver's side shock was oily and the protective rubber casing had fallen off. When I took it in for the sway bar install the dealership confirmed it was a blown shock at only 12k miles and never off-roaded. So check those shocks! I'm reading they are going bad prematurely in the Sasquatches.

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