Big Bend beats Black Diamond!

[AZHUND]

Thanks - but I am curious on the non-sasquatch BD since my planned usage matches up better to 32-33" tires.

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[Jrod0486]

Thanks - but I am curious on the non-sasquatch BD since my planned usage matches up better to 32-33" tires.

That's all we have so far really.

 

[Badplaid72]

I priced a Big Bend that has the ALL Black Diamond capabilities except seats and flooring. SURPRISINGLY, the Big Bend is CHEAPER and LOOKS BETTER than the Black Diamond. See the photos and pricing and decide which looks better. Here's why I think the Big Bend is better.

Big Bend has
- Better looking grille
- Allows Signature headlights ($795)
- Optional Rear Diff Locker (BD Std)
- Optional Heavy Duty Bumper (BD Std)
- Optional Rock Rail (BD Std)
- Optional Aux Switches (BD Std)
- Aluminum wheels Std
- Cloth seats & carpet (preferred for me in Miami Beach, don't care much one way or the other)

Black Diamond
- No Signature headlight option
- Ugly grille (imo)
- Steel rims Std (BB Std, optional pictured $995)
- Vinyl seats & rubber floors (others prefer this)
- AT tires Std

I added all options to Big Bend that are standard on the Black Diamond which included EVERYTHING necessary for off-roading. Also added the pretty headlights and Aux switches. Added aluminum rims to BD. I'd ride BB street tires and replace with ATs later. Don't you think the BB looks a lot better??

That Big Bend is the sweetest build I've seen yet. I'm on the fence right now because Ford sucks. But this build has me thinking.

Thanks! Great Discovery!

 

[HuskerJen47]

Thank you. My friend will be relieved. Is there a link or literature that shows this though?

Mid Package includes heated seats. The only negative for some is you have to get automatic.

 

[Badplaid72]

Dude. I'm with you. I wanted to go BD, but after pricing it out and comparing... As of today, I'm all in BB. The LED headlamps are the big driver for me. And I went tube steps vs rock rails. But yeah man. I agree.

Next do a BB, with all added options, comparison to a "stock" OBX... Pretty much same car, but BB is like $3k cheaper.

!!!Alert Tinfoil Hat Alert!!!

Watch Ford take the B&P down in November, to fix bugs before the December orders. Then, when it comes back up on Thanksgiving we're too coma'd out to see the only bugs they fixed were the pricing on the BB! This will be to make sure you Real B6G Bronco Rock Stars are doing for all of us... providing great advice!

What if this B&P was just a beta test in sheep's clothing to collect more data, to engineer the pricing structure, to squeeze every dime, by making the next trim juusssstttttt... a tiny bit better, and cheaper than the lower trim built up. Then of course, we are on the next trim, we now have more options..., And suddenly we're all buying BL and WT Bronco's!

Sorry, I''m putting my tinfoil hat on now.

Peace Bronco's

 

[JohnnyK]

Am I missing something or does the BD not has fog lights.

Can you take the back seat out of the 2 doors?

Does the BB or the base have floor drain plugs?

 

[BroncoFL33]

Looks like the 2.7L including 10sp auto is only $1895. That's a good deal. Since you'll be road driving in Miami, you'll want the extra power on 95! Better resale for sure too.

Wouldn’t the 2.3L have better gas mileage for I95? LOL - i don’t know much about cars. I just want an engine with zero fuss that lasts a long time And good gas mileage (as good as possible for BRonco)

 

[BroncoFL33]

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[Cheshire]

Wouldn’t the 2.3L have better gas mileage for I95? LOL - i don’t know much about cars. I just want an engine with zero fuss that lasts a long time And good gas mileage (as good as possible for BRonco)

I would guess the 2.7L with the automatic would have similar gas mileage as the 2.3L. The 10sp auto is pretty efficient. The 2.7L 6 cylinder should last longer as it won't be under as much stress. I've heard about carbon buildup on the 2.3, but don't know much about that. I'm like you, set it and forget it. I'm not mechanical at all, just want to push start and go, year after year. I'm getting the 2.7L. I think the big selling point for the 2.3L is that you can get it with manual and for slow rock climbing it's geared best. I care a lot more about cruising on the highway, passing fast when I need to, etc. I drive aggressive and need the bigger engine.

 

[AddDemiGod]

I would guess the 2.7L with the automatic would have similar gas mileage as the 2.3L. The 10sp auto is pretty efficient. The 2.7L 6 cylinder should last longer as it won't be under as much stress. I've heard about carbon buildup on the 2.3, but don't know much about that. I'm like you, set it and forget it. I'm not mechanical at all, just want to push start and go, year after year. I'm getting the 2.7L. I think the big selling point for the 2.3L is that you can get it with manual and for slow rock climbing it's geared best. I care a lot more about cruising on the highway, passing fast when I need to, etc. I drive aggressive and need the bigger engine.

Yes the carbon build up is one of the biggest reasons why I want the 2.7 (besides the twin turbo goodness) the 2.3 is direct injected, which means that the fuel is sprayed directly into the combustion chamber (where the piston is) as opposed to port injected which means that the fuel is sprayed in the intake before the air enters into the combustion chamber 9/10 spraying directly on the back of the intake valves in the engine. Gas is a solvent, it cleans things really well, so being sprayed on the back of the valves will keep them clean. Since direct injection doesn't spray the valves, gunk that gets sucked through the intake can start building up on the valves clogging them up. If the valves are clogged then air can't get into the engine which reduces your power, which is the main draw back to direct injection. It's not just the ford 2.3 it's all direct injection engines that have to deal with this. Why we use direct injection is because it's more fuel efficient and can provide more power safely.

Ok with all that being said the 2.7 is BOTH port injected and direct injected, best of both worlds. The computer will know when to use either injector to keep the engine healthy, but more importantly it has a duel fuel supply which means MORE POWER when you upgrade the turbos and all that.

 

[BroncoFL33]

Yes the carbon build up is one of the biggest reasons why I want the 2.7 (besides the twin turbo goodness) the 2.3 is direct injected, which means that the fuel is sprayed directly into the combustion chamber (where the piston is) as opposed to port injected which means that the fuel is sprayed in the intake before the air enters into the combustion chamber 9/10 spraying directly on the back of the intake valves in the engine. Gas is a solvent, it cleans things really well, so being sprayed on the back of the valves will keep them clean. Since direct injection doesn't spray the valves, gunk that gets sucked through the intake can start building up on the valves clogging them up. If the valves are clogged then air can't get into the engine which reduces your power, which is the main draw back to direct injection. It's not just the ford 2.3 it's all direct injection engines that have to deal with this. Why we use direct injection is because it's more fuel efficient and can provide more power safely.

Ok with all that being said the 2.7 is BOTH port injected and direct injected, best of both worlds. The computer will know when to use either injector to keep the engine healthy, but more importantly it has a duel fuel supply which means MORE POWER when you upgrade the turbos and all that.

I want something that is more durable... that’s all. Whichever engine will cost me less in repairs in the long run is what I want.... sounds like maybe the 2.7? But this sounds like added complication to the engine?

 

[XTurtle]

Am I missing something or does the BD not has fog lights.
Can you take the back seat out of the 2 doors?
Does the BB or the base have floor drain plugs?

It does not

Yes, but only to the extent you can take the back seats out of any car (i.e. there are no quick disconnects for the Bronco)

Passive only

 

[JohnnyK]

It does not

Yes, but only to the extent you can take the back seats out of any car (i.e. there are no quick disconnects for the Bronco)

Passive only

Thanks, that's a bummer regarding the fog lights and back seat.

What are passive drains, are they just holes in the foot wells? I'm only familiar with the Jeep plugs, I leave them out all the time and they're very handy. Half the year I have my doors and top off and my trail cover leaks like crazy.

 

[jtt411]

Thanks - but I am curious on the non-sasquatch BD since my planned usage matches up better to 32-33" tires.

Here's a pic of the non sas BD in the MAP

 

[AZHUND]

Here's a pic of the non sas BD in the MAP

Awesome (although the picture framing sucks - why would they think showing 3/4 the vehicle but cutting off the front, top, and bottom is good photography of a vehicle??) but at least shows the stance and how those 32's look. That is even the color I think works best with the multiple shades of gray and random blue trim accent interior!

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