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People are begging for consistent and MEANINGFUL updates lol
I'm just so tired of like what Ford did at the beginning, being left in the dark. Over communicate, idc
Might I add a fifth but very important category to the ones he listed in the video?
5.) Availability/existence.
Is your top made of "Vaporware" or "Unobtanium"?
Does it even exist on the market yet?
No but I’m patient and not willing to spend just as much on cheap plastic. If it bites me later then lesson learned. But I’m trusting @ADV Fiberglass is gonna kick the competitors butts.
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The AC top is good. Quiet in the highway. Having my top to use in the last 5 months is worth more than waiting 20 months for an ADV top (if I didn't cancel). Winter is coming, and I am ready!
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How about ADV at least explains what “in final assembly” means. It’s a simple question, likely a simple answer, and would go a long way for the customers.
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ADV is "simply working through the final assembly process" - not "in final assembly". That could be a big difference - just saying.
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Hopefully on final assembly means putting on hardware,motor for rear windshield wipet, clasps,and the sound dealing liner. Then to final quality control. Then released for packaging for shipment. Then shipping and notications to customers.
Let's hope November shipping starts Nov 1, and not. In novembrt... 30 days had november
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I don't know what's worse. The trolls that haven't spent a dime and just want to stir the pot or the "day 1 order" saying ADV stole their money.
They have been very upfront with offering a refund. If you are unhappy with the wait, request a refund. Please request a refund, that moves my order up. Am I frustrated? Yeah. I'm not going to lose my mind over it. If the pain outweighs the reward, I'll request my refund. Right now, this looks like the most promising top out of all those available or soon to be available.
The only mistake they've made is continually updating shipping to next month, next month, etc... Once they realized this they stopped with those types of updates. Now they are in a pickle because people are demanding updates. They give an update and people complain about the update. If you want an update, call them. Go to their website and chat.
Supply chain issues are still real. All the big manufactures are still having issues sourcing some parts. And until you have all the parts to assemble a bunch of tops, other quality issues may not be visible. It's very likely this is what happened. Fixing that process takes time.
As far as all the money up front, that's makes complete sense with a new product. If they would have taken orders with $100 deposit, they would have had 10 times the orders they did. And then when they were produced and ready to be shipped most of those orders would have been canceled, because they didn't have the money to pay for it at the time. Then they would be in financial trouble with a ton of tops and no buyers. Ford had a ton of orders with $100 deposit. The dealerships I'm familiar with had a ton of those orders later canceled or didn't take delivery because they couldn't get financing or realized how much it actually cost.
As far as shipping the tops in May when they were not quite right. This forum alone has shown that would be a mistake. People would be up in arms that they waited 2 years for a top and it's garbage.
Oh, and you'll get your interest on your deposit when the price goes up. That's your investment. That's the main reason most people did the preorder before anyone saw a production top or saw any deliveries. The amount you saved from when the price went up. Some investments are good some are not. We're still waiting to see how this one turns out.
Now I'll grab my popcorn and continue to watch people lose their minds.
They have been very upfront with offering a refund. If you are unhappy with the wait, request a refund. Please request a refund, that moves my order up. Am I frustrated? Yeah. I'm not going to lose my mind over it. If the pain outweighs the reward, I'll request my refund. Right now, this looks like the most promising top out of all those available or soon to be available.
The only mistake they've made is continually updating shipping to next month, next month, etc... Once they realized this they stopped with those types of updates. Now they are in a pickle because people are demanding updates. They give an update and people complain about the update. If you want an update, call them. Go to their website and chat.
Supply chain issues are still real. All the big manufactures are still having issues sourcing some parts. And until you have all the parts to assemble a bunch of tops, other quality issues may not be visible. It's very likely this is what happened. Fixing that process takes time.
As far as all the money up front, that's makes complete sense with a new product. If they would have taken orders with $100 deposit, they would have had 10 times the orders they did. And then when they were produced and ready to be shipped most of those orders would have been canceled, because they didn't have the money to pay for it at the time. Then they would be in financial trouble with a ton of tops and no buyers. Ford had a ton of orders with $100 deposit. The dealerships I'm familiar with had a ton of those orders later canceled or didn't take delivery because they couldn't get financing or realized how much it actually cost.
As far as shipping the tops in May when they were not quite right. This forum alone has shown that would be a mistake. People would be up in arms that they waited 2 years for a top and it's garbage.
Oh, and you'll get your interest on your deposit when the price goes up. That's your investment. That's the main reason most people did the preorder before anyone saw a production top or saw any deliveries. The amount you saved from when the price went up. Some investments are good some are not. We're still waiting to see how this one turns out.
Now I'll grab my popcorn and continue to watch people lose their minds.
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You have no leverage because they have your money.
For the people that have given this company $7,000 for two years, I hope you are getting about $700 credited refunded to you for the accumulated interest you missed out on.
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Outstanding commentary.
Couldn't agree with you more.
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You've got the jist of it and I mostly agree but you miss some nuance. 1.) We were told the "the rubber gasket was the final component" and was finally secured back in April yet that supply chain keeps getting mentioned. 2.) Don't believe anyone thought $100 deposit was applicable. A non-refundable 10%, 15%, even 25% would have been more appropriate knowing the timeframe this would take (hind sight is 20:20 of course) but nobody intended to finance the project for two years especially when all outward appearances make it look like this is not priority one at the shop. 3.) The "final assembly" bit is not a joke anymore it has become an insult to the customers and themselves. You could teach an 8th grade auto shop class to assemble something like this (rubber gaskets, sticking on headliner, screwing on brackets) with this amount of time. The customer will be doing half the assembly when they receive it presumably to save in shipping costs. Manufacturing I'll give you but they are not assembling engines or transmissions or ECUs. 4.) They won't be selling too many tops if they raise the cost when they are already priced above the coemption. Heck Ursa Minor is offering their camper top for $7250 with a $100 refundable reservation fee to get in the production queue.
Unfortunately I feel exactly the same as I did this time last year with about as much communication and information. The only new info between since then has not been good either (problems in manufacturing?!) otherwise it is deja vu all over again almost every month. How something that is needed, promising, has proper aesthetics, built so much excitement, and appeared to be so far ahead of the competition could be derailed by simply shitty communication with fully payed customers is beyond me. If someone can explain why not one top has shipped to a paying customer now that they have figured out the QC issues and supply chain issues I'm all ears. If final assembly takes this long then if you are not a D1 orderer you have an eternity to wait.
How do you come up with $700? The interest rate for most of the last two years has been like 0.02%
Honestly if they gave you a refund what is there to report? It was your choice to give them money up front, same for all of us. I'm glad you are happy with your Anderson, but how could you possibly know which one is a superior product? Many of us are staying with ADV because we think it looks like the best product, but only time will tell. ADV also has a great reputation, which is why I was willing to pay up front.
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