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People who haven't ever seen what happens from a class action lawsuit. They like the term. Let me give y'all an example with MUCH bigger numbers and horrific occurrences: "In June 2019, the court granted preliminary approval for a $215 millionfederal class action settlement that will compensate individuals who received women's health services from Tyndall at the student health center."
I was a victim and I received $2,500.... The lawyers received 25 million.
These types of lawyers will deliver this pitch: You will get money and it will cost you NOTHING.
If you were scammed and you are considering legal action I would highly discourage you against a class action.
Or
CP4 lawsuit
Back in 2019, GM told The Drive that it didn’t “believe the lawsuit has merit.” Now, GM is paying a settlement. However, GM is only paying the 11 plaintiffs $5,000 each, while the law firms representing them get to split $15 million. GM is also reimbursing customers who’ve had to pay for fuel pump-related repairs out of pocket. All current owners of affected Duramax vehicles will get future warranty coverage regarding Bosch CP4 fuel pumps. The extended warranty will run for up to 12 months from the final approval date of the class action lawsuit or 200,000 miles from the vehicle’s original purchase date (whichever comes first), yet it’ll still require to owners to foot half the bill for all repairs. Former owners might also receive compensation for overpaying for their trucks.
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Exactly... Thank you for sharing a settlement that is more fitting of the subject.
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This thread has grown by 30 pages since my original comment and I have tried to do my due diligence of finding it here so I apologize in advance if this is being repeated - please don't dox me lol. I just found this angle interesting considering there have been screenshots released of APG mentioning that customers could pre-order via ADV website.
Reply from APG (ADV Fiberglass' production partner) attached.
On August 7, 2024, Advanced Fiberglass Concepts (ADV), formerly known as Glassworks Unlimited, unleashed a series of premeditated publications (in written and video formats) which unjustifiably attack and blame APG for their inability to deliver promises made (or refunds of deposits taken) to their own customers. APG cannot be blamed for the decision that ADV made to accept customer pre-orders and deposits for a product that was still in development by a manufacturer (APG). To be clear, APG never required or requested that ADV market and accept pre-orders of the Bronco Hardtop products. That decision was made by ADV and ADV alone.
ADV is not the designer or manufacturer of hardtop products that it apparently pre-sold to thousands of its customers. Rather, ADV was granted distribution rights for the hardtop products in anticipation of those products being designed, developed, manufactured and brought to market. ADV is just a distributor and nothing more. In fact, the lawsuit filed by ADV contains a copy of the Distribution Agreement between APG and ADV. There are a few key elements of that contractual relationship:
1 APG is the manufacturer while ADV is a distributor.
2 APG owns all intellectual property rights to the hardtop products, including patents. ADV does not have any ownership interest in those rights by virtue of its role as a distributor.
3 ADV agreed that all advertising and promotion of the products would be completely factual and conform to the highest standards of lawful, ethical advertising.
4 ADV agreed to adhere to the highest reasonable standards of business behavior, honesty, integrity, fair dealing and ethical conduct in all dealings with its customers and APG.
The recent publications and lawsuit filed by ADV is an obvious attempt to shift its customers’ focus from itself to APG. The agreements between APG and ADV did not require pre-orders to ADV’s customers. In fact, APG reserved the right and always intended to sell the hardtop products direct to its own customers, but only when the product is ready for immediate sale and delivery. Despite many customers requesting pre-order rights from APG, we made the responsible decision not to accept pre-orders or customer deposits.
This project has involved 2+ years of development, thousands of engineering hours, millions of dollars, and an international supply chain which has been cultivated over years of experience in the specialized manufacturing field. We did not set out to make a quick and cheap fiberglass roof with an aftermarket design strategy (as others did). We set out to do what we always do: manufacture the highest quality product possible… and that takes time.
When APG sets out to design and manufacture a product, we do not rush to market and we certainly would not accept individual orders for a product that is still in development. ADV made the business decision to accept pre-orders with full knowledge of the status of development. Any delivery estimates provided to ADV have been “estimates” and nothing more; ADV knew that. All major projects can have setbacks and delays; frankly, it’s to be expected.
APG was never informed of how many pre-orders ADV accepted. To our complete and utter surprise, John Gerwatosky recently told APG that they “pre-sold” approximately 1,250 hardtops. At an average retail purchase price of $6,800.00 (i.e. cost + tax, shipping, all options, etc.), that math calculates to $8,500,000.00. The real question everyone should be asking is what did ADV do with the money? We at APG have an idea of how the money was spent by ADV and its principals, but we’ll save that for litigation. The lawsuit filed by ADV is a transparent attempt at damage control by a distributor who needs to face its own customers for its irresponsible business decisions. APG will not accept blame for ADV’s actions or allow ADV to continue its charade of falsehoods. We categorically deny and reject each and every claim made by ADV and will uphold our reputation as we prove their wrongdoing in court.
While we are sympathetic to the customers of ADV, we will not break from APG’s dignity and ethics. We will continue to manufacture the finest 6th Generation Ford Bronco Products in the world and will announce the availability of the hardtop products when we know, for certain, that we can accept, fill and deliver our customers’ orders.
Reply from APG (ADV Fiberglass' production partner) attached.
On August 7, 2024, Advanced Fiberglass Concepts (ADV), formerly known as Glassworks Unlimited, unleashed a series of premeditated publications (in written and video formats) which unjustifiably attack and blame APG for their inability to deliver promises made (or refunds of deposits taken) to their own customers. APG cannot be blamed for the decision that ADV made to accept customer pre-orders and deposits for a product that was still in development by a manufacturer (APG). To be clear, APG never required or requested that ADV market and accept pre-orders of the Bronco Hardtop products. That decision was made by ADV and ADV alone.
ADV is not the designer or manufacturer of hardtop products that it apparently pre-sold to thousands of its customers. Rather, ADV was granted distribution rights for the hardtop products in anticipation of those products being designed, developed, manufactured and brought to market. ADV is just a distributor and nothing more. In fact, the lawsuit filed by ADV contains a copy of the Distribution Agreement between APG and ADV. There are a few key elements of that contractual relationship:
1 APG is the manufacturer while ADV is a distributor.
2 APG owns all intellectual property rights to the hardtop products, including patents. ADV does not have any ownership interest in those rights by virtue of its role as a distributor.
3 ADV agreed that all advertising and promotion of the products would be completely factual and conform to the highest standards of lawful, ethical advertising.
4 ADV agreed to adhere to the highest reasonable standards of business behavior, honesty, integrity, fair dealing and ethical conduct in all dealings with its customers and APG.
The recent publications and lawsuit filed by ADV is an obvious attempt to shift its customers’ focus from itself to APG. The agreements between APG and ADV did not require pre-orders to ADV’s customers. In fact, APG reserved the right and always intended to sell the hardtop products direct to its own customers, but only when the product is ready for immediate sale and delivery. Despite many customers requesting pre-order rights from APG, we made the responsible decision not to accept pre-orders or customer deposits.
This project has involved 2+ years of development, thousands of engineering hours, millions of dollars, and an international supply chain which has been cultivated over years of experience in the specialized manufacturing field. We did not set out to make a quick and cheap fiberglass roof with an aftermarket design strategy (as others did). We set out to do what we always do: manufacture the highest quality product possible… and that takes time.
When APG sets out to design and manufacture a product, we do not rush to market and we certainly would not accept individual orders for a product that is still in development. ADV made the business decision to accept pre-orders with full knowledge of the status of development. Any delivery estimates provided to ADV have been “estimates” and nothing more; ADV knew that. All major projects can have setbacks and delays; frankly, it’s to be expected.
APG was never informed of how many pre-orders ADV accepted. To our complete and utter surprise, John Gerwatosky recently told APG that they “pre-sold” approximately 1,250 hardtops. At an average retail purchase price of $6,800.00 (i.e. cost + tax, shipping, all options, etc.), that math calculates to $8,500,000.00. The real question everyone should be asking is what did ADV do with the money? We at APG have an idea of how the money was spent by ADV and its principals, but we’ll save that for litigation. The lawsuit filed by ADV is a transparent attempt at damage control by a distributor who needs to face its own customers for its irresponsible business decisions. APG will not accept blame for ADV’s actions or allow ADV to continue its charade of falsehoods. We categorically deny and reject each and every claim made by ADV and will uphold our reputation as we prove their wrongdoing in court.
While we are sympathetic to the customers of ADV, we will not break from APG’s dignity and ethics. We will continue to manufacture the finest 6th Generation Ford Bronco Products in the world and will announce the availability of the hardtop products when we know, for certain, that we can accept, fill and deliver our customers’ orders.
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LiteBrite has no concept of the term litigation.
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I am sure she does. Just sign up for her OF channel and start posting the videos elsewhere.
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I was on business day 19 of a 20 business day waiting day period to get my refund when SHTF. I was pissed to say the least. So….I filed a fraud report with the FTC (reportfraud.ftc.gov). I encourage everyone who ordered a top to do so also, whether you got a refund or not. An avalanche of reports will get someone’s attention over my one report. After that, I contacted my credit card company. They assigned someone to investigate within minutes of me calling them and credited my card back the full amount I spent within about two hours, to use until their investigation’s done (and I am not touching it!!). The investigation could take up to two billing cycles. The card I used is my Ford Pass Visa; again, if they get a bunch of complaints instead of just mine, it will raise some red flags. I know there are people reading this post who are like me who ordered way back and kept waiting and waiting—-take action to get these businesses investigated and get your money back!
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there isn't enough $ in this class for any real CA attorney to pay attention!
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I’m derailing this thread?? I highly doubt that.
I was also one of ADV’s “customers” until I had enough of their BS. I agree this thread needs to stay on topic to warn others, but I doubt my old-school toy picture has changed the trajectory of this flaming dumpster fire…
So APG is selling the idea that AVD went behind their backs and with no knowledge or permission sold possibly a thousand tops.
How did ADV strong arm the videos and procedures for construction?
Why no cry of foul play for 2 + years ?
Not to mention the invoices paid to APG for what ?
How did ADV strong arm the videos and procedures for construction?
Why no cry of foul play for 2 + years ?
Not to mention the invoices paid to APG for what ?
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